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I thought you were spot on, I don't know why anybody would argue with this. There really isn't even anything I can add, you pretty much said it all. Muse, or the people they have working for them, really screwed the pooch on this album/tour cycle. Yes, it's true, guitar rock is not as popular as it once was. But Muse is responsible for this lack of demand to a certain degree also. I always take Columbus on the 2L tour as an example of why they should downsize venues in lesser cities. They played to something like 5,800 people in an arena that holds 18-19,000. Great show, but it just looked weird having the entire upper bowl curtained off, and having this massive production in a 1/3 full venue. Columbus has a 5,000 capacity amphitheater called the LC Pavilion, and it's the busiest venue in town by far (it also has a 2,000 capacity indoor "club", making it accessible for many artists). I think Muse played there in 2006 or 07. Muse would've sold that show out easily, and people would be saying "I couldn't get tickets to that show, Muse is HOT". Instead, there are acres of unsold, curtained off seats in the arenas, which paints a clear picture.
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I live in central ohio, and the nearest show to me is Detroit. 10 years ago I'd have gone, no question. Now I'm 33, am married with 2 young kids, and have a job that I can't just take days off for a concert. 10 years ago I'd have gotten off work, drove the 4 hours, watch the show, and drive back 4 hours, sleep for 3 hours and head back to work, fresh as a daisy! I did it for bands I care much less about. Kids, adulthood isn't all it's cracked up to be. Hoping they come to ohio at some point soon.
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I'm not sure why they felt they should play 360 arenas in the US. Most of the arenas will be half full (or half empty, depending on your point of view). Muse are less popular now than they were in 2013, largely due to the overall lack of promotion and public interest of the Drones album. If you look at the Billboard Boxscore numbers for 2013, there's no way they'll hit those numbers this time.
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On ticketmaster some of the dates have interactive maps of the venues, and you can see every seat sold. It's pretty ugly out there. Dallas, Seattle, Portland and Boston are the only ones you can see, and it's not good. WHY do they play arenas in the US? And WHY in a 360 configuration. They can't fill most of these arenas halfway. The new album has had ZERO presence on the radio in this country, and people just aren't talking about Muse.
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I agree, it really sucks how they're doing this. I'd just about guarantee Phoenix will go between Dallas and Vegas, but why not just announce it? I do not get it. Since its in such short notice, maybe availability was an issue with MSG, the busiest venue in the country.
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Surprised at all these new U.S. dates being in early December. This can't be all the dates, no Chicago. I'd look for Atlanta to be added as well, at least. 2nd show in Brooklyn as well.
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They will probably play in these cities for certain; Dallas Houston Denver Phoenix Seattle Vancouver Chicago Minneapolis/st. Paul Detroit Toronto Montreal Quebec Boston New York x2 or 3 Philadelphia Washington, D.C. Atlanta A Florida city Then of course LA 2. Maybe a couple Midwest shows, but probably not as extensively as they did last time.
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The strange thing is that Muse already have European shows book through the middle of June, yet these U.S. dates have been handled quite poorly. Obviously there will be a 2nd LA show, so where is it? Why wait? I don't think this winter us/Canada tour will be very extensive, due to time constraints. I think probably next summer they'll come back and do an amphitheater tour and hit the areas they've missed. Maybe have a couple opening bands who are big enough to help sell some tickets.
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I live in central ohio. During our winters, I'd say 90% of the time it's completely safe to go anywhere. 5% of the time it's bad enough that you need 4 wheel drive to get around, and the other 5% of the time you just better not leave the house unless it's an emergency. That's what it was like the night I drove home from the Muse concert in 2013. I'd never driven in conditions that bad before. I can only assume Quebec is worse in January. But I'm sure it'll be fine if they do. The worst that could happen is a show needs rescheduled due to weather.
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Ugh Muse, not winter again! 2013 I saw Muse in Columbus on March 5th. When I went inside the arena, the weather was light rain. 3 hours later after the concert, we walk outside and it's an absolute BLIZZARD! Several inches of snow on the ground, and more falling very fast. Took me over 2 hours to get home (usually a 45 minute drive). If I didn't have 4-wheel drive I'd have never made it, the snow plows just couldn't keep up.
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I would think they'd have do do more "strategic scheduling". In Ohio, for example, instead of Cincy, Columbus AND Cleveland in the same week, just do one show in Columbus in the middle of the state. Same with Florida, etc.
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The thing to do would've been to put tickets for the USA onsale shortly after the album's release, and do some television/online promotion stuff. The promotional appearances combined with the fact that the band had the #1 record in the USA would've created some hype for the concerts.
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There's morning shows like "Good Morning, America" or "Today Show" that a lot of bands play on to reach a wide audience. Late shows like Colbert, Jimmy Fallon, Jimmy Kimmel, Conan O'Brien, etc. And I think SNL still has some clout, even though I probably haven't watched it in 10 years. If a band is playing on there that I want to see, I can usually just find the clip online the next day. It's not worth it to sit through an hour and a half of that shit.
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On ticketmaster you can look at the Portland show and see which tickets haven't been sold yet. Yikes. The entire upper level is obviously not being used, but even still they've got a long way to go. I'd expect a similar situation in most 2nd tier US cities. If they want to play arenas, they need to promote themselves a little bit. Drones didn't really make much of a lasting impression in the US. It debuted at #1 because the fan base bought the album, and then dropped like a rock afterwards. They need to go on SNL, Jimmy Fallon, etc, and promote these shows!
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I was thinking the amphitheater route, maybe with another semi-big band opening for them to move those lawn tickets.
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I'd expect a 2nd Copenhagen show, since the Forum is a very small arena (10,000 cap?). Also SOMETHING is going to go between Munich 3/31 and Dublin 4/5. I think they were planning on a 2nd Munich show on 4/1 and a 2nd Dublin show on 4/4 or something. Also, since the Lisbon show is not sold out but the 2 in Madrid are, they might add another date in Madrid before the Current Madrid dates. LA will definitely get a 2nd night.
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Probably rest periods. These guys have young children, and want/deserve a little time off with their families.
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7200 was the capacity once they realized they weren't going to be able to sell out the lower bowl. Trust me, if they could've sold more than 7200 tickets they would have. I was at the 2013 Columbus show and they had the entire upper bowl curtained off. That was not by choice, but by necessity. Muse aren't really big enough to play arenas in the secondary markets like Portland or Columbus. But They must still make money at it or else they wouldn't come back, or they would downgrade to smaller venues they can fill. Regardless of what venue they play, I still hope they return to Columbus.
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I think it's safe to say there will be a 2nd LA show on the 19th, and possibly a 3rd one. Seems strange to take 3 weeks off, do 4 shows in Mexico, then take another 3 weeks off and do 6 shows in the western U.S. But, what do I know? If they had 6,000 people in Portland last time, odds are they'll draw roughly the same size crowd. That wouldn't even be enough to fill the lower bowl in a 360 configuration. All I can figure is they'll have to sell the upper level tickets for like $20 or less if they want anybody up there at all.
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Honestly, many, many, many bands tour the USA in November/December, despite Thanksgiving/Christmas. Most bands just block out Wednesday-Sunday of Thanksgiving week, and then just keep right on going until about December 20th or so, and then take a Christmas break. I don't see why everyone thinks that the months of November/December are completely off limits.
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The fact that there are Mexico dates in November should logistically indicate they plan to head north from there to the US. Do Mexico, then swing North to L.A. and wherever else after that. The benefit of touring North America during December-Feb is that not many other bands tour during this time, so they won't be competing for people's concert dollars as much. However, I'm sure touring in the winter can suck. I remember the 2013 Columbus concert. It was on March 5th. Walked inside the concert with what I could describe as a light misty rain, and 3 hours later we leave the concert to a blizzard! Took me over 2 hours to drive home, and it normally takes 45 minutes to get home from Columbus.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_2nd_Law_World_Tour Attendance figures for many of the shows are towards the bottom. The Minneapolis show you speak of had around 6,900 in attendance. To put it into perspective, U2 sold that venue out years ago with over 19,000 people. I don't think Muse would draw any bigger crowds now than they did in 2013, in the U.S.
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I was at the 2013 Columbus show, and they had the ENTIRE upper bowl curtained off, and it still wasn't sold out. I think there were around 5-6,000 people at the show. When I saw Muse in the same venue in 2010, the lower bowl was full and a maybe half of the upper bowl wasn't curtained off. It was not a smart choice to play Cleveland, Columbus and Cincy within the same week.
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I've seen U2 a couple times do an end stage 360 concert. I don't mind that. The only time I've ever seen a true 360 show, with the stage in the middle of the floor, was Metallica. I didn't really like it, felt like the band members were all over the place. I'm seeing U2 this summer, and supposedly they're having an "in the round" type of stage, so we'll see how that goes. If Muse do this type of stage, it won't keep me from going to see them. But it might keep them from playing outside of the big US cities, which means my native Ohio might not get a show.
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If muse actually do a 360 arena stage, they won't sell out many shows in the US. Utilizing the entire arena is smart if you're U2 and can sell all 20,000 seats. But if you're Muse and can sell maybe half that in most US markets, your gonna have lots of half full arenas.