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SS/NB was heavily criticised last tour because people thought SS was much better.
Mostly because NB was played slower, but it seems invigorated. I'd call it fair.
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Alright then I suppose if you remove it you'll have a better set.
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TaB seems appropriate for some noisy/kaoss pad wankery/laser sound outro which would flow well into KoC (well in my head at least). Of course, ditch MWAH.
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TF1 :
Dom: We tried different styles of music over the years, from rock and heavy metal to electronic and classical music.
All retranslated into English from French haha.
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M6:
Dom: The stage is at the very center so the audience is everywhere around us. It creates much better eye-contact and greater proximity.
Matt: We played in the US, and we expect much more enthousiastic crowds in France.
Dom: French fans have always been very special. Their reaction to our music is phenomenal.
Matt: Those drones are autonomous, they fly by themselves, they are not controlled. The lights are automatic too, they follow us. Everything is automated.
About their free time
Matt: We're gonna go to Le Louvre, walk around, go to see the Eiffel Tower, tourist things. She's looking at me [the interviewer] and her expression says "it's not interesting, move on".
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Eh why not, TaB opening the encore and KoC closing it would work pretty well imo. It'd be a funny nudge to BH&R, plus when you think there's none left, there is some more.
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I mean in the context of doing multiple gigs at the same venue. I agree that Psycho is a good opener, but they opened a few times with Reapers and I think Drones into Reapers works better. Defector was born to be an gig/encore opener imo, because [JFK] + big riff. Also I would like to see Stockholm into Psycho one day.
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They really need more variation with their openers/closers. Psycho, Defector and Reapers all make good openers. Reapers and TG would be decent closers, too.
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[Drones]
1. Reapers
2. The Handler
3. Plug In Baby
4. Stockholm Syndrome
5. Psycho
6. Citizen Erased
7. Ruled By Secrecy
8. United States of Eurasia
9. Dead Inside
10. Map of the Problematique
11. Mercy
12. Time is Running Out
13. Madness
14. Revolt
15. The Globalist
[JFK]
16. Defector
17. Supermassive Black Hole
18. Bliss
[Crazy arpeggio]
19. Take A Bow
20. Knights of Cydonia
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You could even fill some breaks with instrumentals, so that Matt can still rest his voice. Minimum, Forced In (2006 version), Piano Thing, more Bass & Drum...
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I won't be there sadly. I thought they'd squeeze in one or two gigs when they played in the region back in September.
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How about Japan for goodness' sake
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Chris always did it as far as I know, but his playing was too straight and clean (as you'd expect) and Matt was too busy with his shenanigans to convey any emotions.
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On a slightly different note, anyways, there's a reason they don't play for longer (although 1-2 song difference wouldn't make any difference at all,) and you can see it in the fan reviews all over the internet, and even a bit in some random YT videos; people start leaving before the end of the gig.
I'd hoped it was just a Dallas thing, because it was super late and people were even leaving before it started, but I've seen multiple mentions of it for most of the rest of the gigs.
Once the end of the gig starts rolling around, people have seen all the stage props, and the songs they came for, and once everything slows down, they bail.
People have terrible attention spans, probably early morning work or school, and they're attracting people who haven't listened to the albums.
Maybe they should save SMBH, Starlight or Madness for the encore to get people to stay... Bands usually keep a huge hit for the closer, and I don't think KoC is what people are really waiting for here.
Nine songs in, a lot of people have heard what they came for, and the excitement over the stage show has waned.
Maybe they could close with CE or Bliss, for the people that stuck around.
Oh wow. And they do save Uprising and Mercy for the end of the gig, in addition to KoC. Must be so strange for them to face dead crowds leaving before the end of the gig, especially given the contrast with the Psycho tour and some festivals. Add all the malfunctioning props; this leg seems to be a nightmare for them. The hardcore fans being the collateral victims of all those factors adding up.
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So what's the deal?
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Starlight (guitarless)
Mercy
Coma
Undisclosed Desires
Shine (acoustic)
Save Me
Explorers
Guiding Light
Liquid State
Aftermath
Madness
Revolt
Soldier's Poem
Neutron Star Collision
Isolated System
The Gallery
Uprising (guitarless)
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Huh, everything one might say is obviously only opinions. I mean, do people still believe that "objectively good" makes any sense? Expressions such as "in my opinion" are redundant, their sole purpose is to soften one's words but it doesn't mean anything really.
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Damn, shorter sets is not ok.
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My point was, what is the rationale for the differences in US and Canada? Not Europe.
The Canadian crowds were not more energetic, so that theory they're adapting to that doesn't hold up.
Well to begin with, the Canadian sets are more or less similar to the early US sets. There isn't THAT much of a difference. Then maybe they're taking into account the fact that the US had Webster Hall and the Mayan? And yeah maybe they simply mistakenly thought the majority would tend towards slightly rockier sets.
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Except for that one gig when they skipped the piano slot, that is.
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I'd have been willing to say this is true about the US crowds before the Canada gigs. And it still would be a huge dick move to penalize people for not behaving how the band feels is "appropriate."
However, those Canadian crowds looked the same, and got massively better sets on average.
And a band member raved about how they loved playing there.
So, that doesn't add up.
Better sets on average, ok. "Massively", maybe not. But then again, I don't think they see it that way. You say "penalize", they probably think "adapt to the local demand". Not saying it isn't detrimental to the hardcore fans, though.
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Quite kind of you to call me a shitposter when you were the one who invalidated my original post about Ashamed. I wouldn't ever wish poor setlists upon anyone, but it's obnoxious to see people talking about how 'yes yes this is quite plausible hmmm yes this rarity and this rarity have a decent shot of being played' based on nothing at all besides personal experience based on a selection bias that Muse has on Europe over the US to give this type of preferential treatment. A fan that holds up a sign for The Small Print in the UK would have a far better chance of that getting played there vs in the US, because I saw this fail firsthand at the gigs I went to.
It's not as bad as calling someone a dick out of the blue, surely? And I don't understand why you got so upset \o/. You thought it should be included (Jobby's explanation notwithstanding), I disagreed, that's all. I don't wield any authority in that matter. But still, mind explaining why you cared so much about adding it if this whole thing in itself is morally wrong/ineffective/useless/unfair? It seems to me you're desperately trying to slag this initiative off, one way or another.
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For I while I'd forgotten how much of a pair of shitposters ADL and Jon were. Ok we got your point: the rest of the world should get bad setlists. It's fortunate fans in Sweden didn't go by that logic last tour. :-]
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I know what you mean and I get the frustration. I don't think I'm the one placing the burden on the fans though, I was merely replying to jonisdead, whose point was basically "you guys are not cool because you make us look like we don't care about rarities". No need to turn this into a Europe vs US argument.
Psycho/Drones General Tour Discussion Thread
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Remember the outrage when I suggested a TaB -> KoC encore in Your Perfect Muse Setlist?
Where's it gone?
B&H, Map and TaB.
I missed the gig of my life.