Silentgod86
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I'm talking more about Music rather than physical media. 95% of fans aren't collectors so packaging the vinyls with the CDs have made them unaffordable for some.
Take account that hours after I made my post, Radiohead launched their public library sharing quite alot of music, videos, artwork for free which puts the creativity up front rather than the physical media with a scare supply. Nothing stops Muse from doing something similar.
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While I'm happy some new material has come out, I'm sort of disappointed by the lack of era specific live material. For those old enough to remember, Muse made their reputation as a live band before gaining critical or commercial success. 2000-2002 was the peak of their live performances, Matt ad-libbed like hell and was too young to worry about his voice, and it's not reflected in this compilation bar from three or four Astoria 2000 songs. Granted, a lot of this stuff is available on youtube but it would have been nice to have a properly mastered CD containing highlights from Eurocockenees de Belfort 2000, Bizarre 2000 and La Route Du Rock 2001, or even a DVD considering how expensive the boxset is.
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Can someone comment in the OoS instrumental demos? Anything interesting in there?
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I type this as my cat is sitting on my chest so please forgive any typos.
HAT, I meant the rest of OoS was recorded during late 2000 and early 2001, nothing less, nothing more. That time period.
The recordings of Bliss and Plug in Baby are quite different to the live versions that preceded them, hence they were re-arranged in studio. Listen to PiB in the video I linked from late 2000, or even read the comments for that matter, it sounds like the album version, not what they had been playing for most of 2000 prior to the Bottril sessions. Yes, the band tried to capture their live sound for the OoS sessions but that's a different issue to how the songs are composed.
I don't think we're disagreeing here but you're mis-interpreting a lot of things I've written.
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Oh stupid me, I bloody forgot, Futurism was produced by Bottrill, so that must be what "The Other" is above.
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Okay here's the timeline (which is quite clear on the musewiki page for origin):
October 2000, Muse go into the sudio with Bottrill. PiB, NB, DS, Bliss and possibly some other song, are recorded while the band were high on Mushrooms. Some songs like PiB and Bliss are re-arranged from the versions the band had being played live.
Late October 2000, Muse go back on tour with PiB played with the OoS album arrangement rather than the showbiz tour arrangement.
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Late 2000-Early 2001, Muse return to the studio with John Cornfield and remix (not re-record) the songs from the David Botttrill sessions owing too many overdubs and poor mixing. The rest of the album is recorded and mixed during this time.
I honestly don't see where there is definitive proof of OoS demo's being left on the cutting room floor though I think it's a great shame there is no disc with the 2000 era live performances of OoS material but alas youtube has plenty of that material anyway.
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They are the recordings on OoS but different mixes with a couple of overdubs. The late 2000 live versions are based on these. You can find the club Quattro Gig on YouTube and listen for yourself.
The other MM is the 2nd single release which should be available somewhere on YouTube. There's also another take on one of the showbiz b-sides.
For Bliss PiB and Newborn demos, there are numerous good quality live versions widely available. It's a shame the live versions aren't on the box set, I'd much prefered remastered versions of those as opposed to reading 2011.
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On 9/10/2019 at 9:12 AM, sharky said:
never mentioned MOney!.
just saying, many Demo's are missing from the Box Set
see Pohto below.
Sharky.
I don't think these are Demo's. OoS was being recorded during this period. I assume these are from the David Bothril session who's credited with producing NewBorn, Bliss, Plug In Baby and Darkshines. I woonder if one of the PiB mixes is of 2000 -era version of the song. No idea what the other is though.....
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3 hours ago, Claudia O said:
It should have been released 2 years ago, right? Now Matt says maybe for x-mas, but he often says things and then it doesn‘t happen ...
Well Christmas is the usual time for these things, gifts and all that. Though knowing Matt I can see it delayed further. They were talking about packaging in last December....
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On 8/3/2019 at 11:11 AM, Claudia O said:
I think it won‘t change that much, but maybe they‘ll add Something human again. Has anyone talked to them in person about The Void or Blockades, why they are missing in the set? Maybe the stars don‘t aling to play them live, like with Defector last tour 🤨🙄 but at least they tried it with Defector!
More important question: Matt mentioned a possible release of Origin of Muse for x-mas, answering a fan on Instagram. There’s nothing planned gig-wise after South America ... maybe we‘ll get a mini-OOS-tour ... I saw it mentioned on Twitter, but it‘s only speculation.
In the end we‘ll get no release this year .... pffff
Why's that? ( I'm beginning like origin of Muse is becoming akin to Chinese Democracy....)
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Thank god for my unemployment....
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Would actually rather have Marmozets (they were great) again instead of Royal Blood.
No, just no.
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wow, that's pretty shit really though the Psycho video from Glasgow is a thing of beauty.....
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Seems a bit light at 20 minutes. Anyone find any easter eggs?
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But you honestly don't think that love songs can fit into a story about oppression? Have you read any dystopian novels at all?
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It doesn't really fit. It reminds me of that bit in interstellar where the female scientist says something like "Love is the one thing we’re capable of perceiving that transcends dimensions of time and space." It just sounds so out of place.
If love was the key, it would have set him free. The system didn't make the protagonist stop loving anymore, his love stops because he gets rejected and then he joins the system for some vague reason. Love doesn't really gets mentioned until 'aftermath' which seems a bit tacked on if you ask me. For me this so called love story doesn't really fit in with the narrative.
If you look at 1984, love flourishes in spite of the system but is then used to crush the protagonist. That makes sense in terms of the over arching theme of the book.
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Well imagine a song about a love conspiracy and paranoia from matt... That'd be wicked
Fanfiction would be term I'd use.....
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I actually like both sides...
Get off the fence!
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What's funny is that you actually think it would have been hard for Matt to just include The Globalist in the main narrative if he wanted. You do realise that he can write the lyrics about whatever he wants? The fact that he hasn't clearly means that it was never the intention, rather than "Oh I can't make it fit".
And that he included personal experience means absolutely nothing. You clearly see songwriting as a very black and white sort of process, when in reality he could have come up with the whole concept all at once and while writing the lyrics for Dead Inside, obviously drawing from some personal experience. It's not that hard to imagine.
Aw, don't get so agitated. People are allowed to disagree with you you know. No need to get so snarky and condescending.
He can write whatever lyrics he wants but what I disagree with is shoehorning them into a concept where they don't really fit. And I don't have to like them either.
I guess this is just a difference in taste between those who like Muse's love song side and their crazy conspiracy side.
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I think the globalist is part of the story but in a different manner... The whole story is from dead inside to aftermath but I think Globalist (and Drones, which feels attached) is a "potential following", meaning "what if the hero actually revolted too far and became like the opressor he was trying to get rid off in the first place, then realises what he's done". The whole song could then be some kind of thinking about humanity which means that you can go to the "dark side" too, not everything is all black or white... Well that's what I understood.
Same here, it touches on all the same themes off Drones and works as a continuation from Defector. There's enough precedence for this in history to make sense...
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But the concept has literally been specified to a number of songs, and the songs outside of it are...yeah you guessed it, outside of it.
Like the song actually titled Drones
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Jesus Christ you're stuck up. The Globalist has been claimed to stand outside of the main story since we first heard of it. It's a separate story entirely.
But I guess you're the one who decides that every single song on an album has to fit a concept in order for it to have one.
Well yes actually. That's why it's called a 'concept', you don't put bits in that have nothing to do with the concept!
Again, I just think the concept was tacked at the the end rather from being there from the beginning....
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Who says everyone is in the system?
Well the impression is that it's a Totalitarian system... Though I think we're embarking on a fool's errand of trying to make sense of a Muse lyric.
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no no no, Globalist isn't part of the narration, it's a separate song along with Drones. The end of the narrative is he finds love (iirc)
Oh great now you're choosing which songs do and do not fit into the Drones storyline when it's convenient. Either it's all Drones, or no Drones. I forbid stepping in the middle ground...
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What happened to Dead Inside and Mercy which you also mentioned? And how does a love song not fit in?
Because they're obviously personal songs for Matt and link back to the decay of his relationship with Kate Hudson. The drones reference is just inserted into the lyrics to attempt to create a false sense of continuity.
because you know like, that makes so much sense.....
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Well Matt's basic response to a fan requesting something is to inform that fans don't really want it...