Silentgod86
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15 hours ago, Hat said:
"Synths should augment the piano and guitar pieces, not replace them" is a pretty strange take though. There's plenty of artists who simply make synth music with the synth as the main instrument.
I just meant Muse in this categorisation. Maybe with the exception of the Dark side and parts of the Void, there's nothing on ST which felt like they were doing anything interesting with the synths. I think Muse do excel when they when they incorporate these elements into their own sound like in Space Dementia, Bliss, Isolated System and Map of the Problematique. Muse have always felt more interesting when they blend genres rather than chasing the zeitgeist. I really love Pressure and Break It To Me because they fuse their pop and hard guitar instincts into really catchy melodies.
Opinions vary I know, and Muse can't be doing the same thing every album, but I'd like to see them work a bit harder, like write 15 or 16 songs and leave some on the cutting floor (or god forbid b-sides even!), rather than 10-11 tracks with no sense of quality control.
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I wouldn't mind a deeper dive into synths but considering Simulation Theory barely got past the intro to Stranger Things, I have severe doubts. Muse tend to dabble with a genre for an album but get bored of it before they even finish recording. The problem with synths is that it plays to Matt's excesses, adding layer upon layer but contributing little, which ends up with songs that are completely limp live. Synths should augment the piano and guitar pieces, not replace them.
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2 hours ago, Hat said:
The Void does it for me
Did have a listen to the Void shortly after making that comment and it has grown on me somewhat. But one song out of three albums over 9 years is a bit disappointing considering the pedigree of the first four albums.
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Take a bow is ok, some bits sound like the original recording some bits you can feel the years on the voice (and that's ok). I hope it's an indication that perhaps we'll get a pure piano muse track, I'm struggling to think of anything since Exogenesis where I felt Matt was trying to do something interesting other than mess around with waveforms on a synthesiser.
Would have preferred a version of Shine on Jeff's guitar or possibly Spiral Static as both those tracks have his influence at its strongest. Perhaps a full out cover could be in order for the future. But please for the love of God, stop trying to make Guiding Light a thing....
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I love Blackout but it is completely over the top, the same with Sing For Absolution, Stockholm Syndrome and Butterflies and Hurricanes. It worked for Absolution because the songs were strong and could carry the weight of the production. The same can be said for much of Black Holes and Revelations. A Soldier's Poem could work if it was just Matt and a piano but also works with indulgent production on the album. Completely unlike Dig Down and Something Human where the core tunes are fundamentally weak because despite his intentions, Matt is neither a Popstar or a pop tunesmith.
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1 hour ago, Hat said:
One song doesn't really disprove what we're theorizing. Especially not when that same album contains songs like Something Human, Dig Down and The Void which all had more stripped down original versions. And it's not like this is a new thing. In my opinion, Muse have put unnecessary additions to songs for years now. Still think the backing vocals and guitar solo in Madness goes completely against the vibe of the rest of the song.
True (though I think those ST alternates were specifically recorded for the deluxe album which is what many bands do these days), but you're ignoring the fact that if Muse's career was a venn diagram, the area of where Muse intersects with subtlety or restraint is very small. Even back around OoS, critics were ridiculing Matt's over the top hystronics for being self indulgent (not my opinion). Absolution and BHAR pretty much cemented that reputation. Drones was fairly restrained though to be fair. The problem with Muse being over indulgent in my opinion, is that they've forgotten how to make it work around a decent song and anything they've attempted post Exogenesis is unearned and trying to fill the void of poor songwriting.
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Considering that Muse used the more stripped down version of Algorithm for Simulation Theory, I'm not so sure that the argument of OoS Remixx sounding like what modern Muse would do, holds much water. I think much of the tracks cut out of OoS point towards what the band progressed in Absolution. Had the band another month or two in the studio, I imagine they might have gotten some the more orchestral bits to work. I think during the recording of OoS, there was a lot of emphasis on how the songs would sound live, this might be why a lot of the non-core instrument flourishes were left on the cutting room floor. Remixx is a mixed bag overall, some songs were obviously meant to be improved (PiB, Bliss, Futurism etc.) while others were meant to show off cut content regardless of overall quality of the song(Microcuts, Feeling Good, Space Dementia). It's hard to listen to Remix without contrasting with OoS which has had 20 years to burn itself into my synapses, so with the exception of Futurism I doubt Remix will become my go-to for 2001 goodness.
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19 hours ago, Jobby said:
It’s not the feeling that Origin is being replaced, I’m seeing that often from people online. So many newer/younger gen fans telling “cringe” fans who daren’t kiss Muse’s arse with everything and post Matt fancams all day to just “go listen to the original lol, it’s still there”.
God forbid anyone has a different opinion to you. As someone who bought the album the day it came out and pretty much shitpost on most things Muse do these days, I find the above amusing. I can't really tell if you're doing a meta joke of Citizen Erased lyrics or if you're just really stressed about something and using this as a pressure valve.
I have to say I'm really happy we finally have someone who witnessed the recording of OoS to tell us what really went down and that they people who literally wrote and recorded the album are lying to us because they have a 20 year grudge against a synthesiser track. Are you really sure you're not doing a meta joke of the Citizen Erased lyrics, it would be epic if you were.
Break me in, teach us to cheat
And to lie, cover up
What shouldn't be shared
And the truth's unwinding
Scraping away at my mind
Please stop asking me to describe
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1 hour ago, Jobby said:
My toys are well and truly out of the pram and they’ll keep on flyin’
In all seriousness, there are a couple of reasons. For a start, Origin is my favourite album of all time and one of my favourite things in life full stop, has been for 12 years now. I’m naturally hesitant to say the least about the idea of it being significantly retouched in any way, rather than a simple remaster (which we already had and was unnecessary but harmless and fine). Especially when, after listening, I already reeeeally don’t like the result after one song. And, like I said before, personally I don’t really like the way it’s being billed so far. I do get the vibe that it’s being marketed as an “updated” version of the album that’s how it ‘should’ve’ sounded. Yes, the original will always be there, but is that now gonna get left in the dust with this album’s changes becoming the ‘canon’ Origin, especially for the band and younger fans? Is it gonna change live performances of the songs? When I talk about loving something from the record with another fan, are they actually gonna be thinking/talking about the newer version?
Basically, this is something I’m incredibly attached to and I’m getting a bad vibe atm that it’s being somewhat invalidated, or at least at risk of it, by a very different band who wanna retroactively mould it to fit something closer to what they would make now.
If there wasn't the word remix in the title, you might have a point. I've seen other bands re-release albums with different tracklists substituting b-sides for album tracks. There's not even a cd release of this so I don't see this an attempt to rewrite history. The original still exists as something you buy and listen to. The marketing spiel is just that, spiel. It's just another cash crab to keep the coffers from emptying out before the next album. I've lived with this album since the day it was released, so I'm happy to see the band muck about with it just as they had been when they toured it live where the songs seemed to change from gig to gig.
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I quite like it as s an alternative. Bass has more oopmh and the vocal layers are a lot clearer. Looking forward to hearing the rest. There's a weird arpeggio like keyboard track in the last chorus of Darkshines that gets drowned out, so I'm looking forward to see if it has been restored in this version. Not sure why some folk are throwing their toys out of the pram, the original version still exists and is commercially available. Just a shame it costs £300 to listen to the remaster because the band bundled it only with a limited supply boxset....
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I'm still amazed they haven't re-issued it considering its selling for £300+. They're justing leaving money on the table. Release a cd only version for £80 and everyone's happy, not just the scalpers.
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I for one am looking forward to hearing what genre they'll half heartedly dabble in. The last four albums they kind of set out a theme but never fully committed to them. In fairness, there's only so far you can take the idea of an album based around the Stranger Things intro. Muse were always a band born out of 90s influences, that's the kind of retro they should have went for.
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I'd imagine there might be some difficulty as Chris lives in the UK while Matt and Dom live in LA? This would presumably prevent the whole band jamming together until March or April at least.
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Glad I spent £4:50 renting this rather than spending £100+ on tickets and travel . Simulation Theory pretty much stands as an indictment on Muse's stadium tours. It just seems like more effort went into Matt's jacket design than the music itself.
So many songs are now just Matt walking around stage pretending to be a popstar. Matt does really have zero stage presence when his guitar is removed. Watching Matt slap hands with the front row while being minded by his handler is just next level cringe you'd expect from your one directions of the world.
The visuals here are just boring as well. When Matt finally does something cool with his guitar, the camera is more interested in the stage extras doing distracting coordinated dance moves. Also Murph looked so inanimate in this movie, I've seen a few YouTube clips where we seemed to move with more fluidity. Not sure why this is letterboxed either, a Muse show is something where you want to use the whole screen. This probably should have been 60 FPS to give a bit more motion. And I really hope they didn't spend too much money on cgi Matt Bellamy pretending to be Harry Potter taking on Murph because that looked fake and cringe as shit. And somehow they want people to fork out £120 for a package with extra tat. I can't help but think of Muse as business people rather than musicians.
One enjoyable part was he video for the Void because there was no visuals, no dancers and no fucking backing tracks.
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Oh joy more content trapped behind a purposefully limited release £100+ package. The marketing at WB really love artificial scarcity these days. Sigh...
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Can you cut out the personal insults? This is not the time to be abusing people online. We're all a bit stressed right now so it would be nice if you didn't use me as an avenue to work out your own frustrations.
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1 hour ago, Jobby said:
You could say it to yourself in your room, it’s still acting entitled and you’re posting it on the band’s only official forum at the end of the day.
Muse have hinted/promised at a lot of things that haven’t come to pass or have taken a long time to come to fruition. A lot of it gets forgotten because that’s life and it’s very rarely a big deal. There was an initial demand for Zepp to be released because it meant pro-shots of modern Agitated, Yes Please, Futurism, Fury in its original key and Can’t Take My Eyes Off You, combined with the fact that it was a very unique show because of all these happening at once and the 2nd encore. In the years since, we’ve had all that (bar Fury) and more from other shows, plus Futurism. So, if we’re not missing out on anything, what’s even the issue? You’re not paying for anything, they’re just putting a special performance of a few songs out to keep fans entertained. They don’t owe it to us, nor do any of the other artists or people trying to keep people entertained atm, so why feel the need to point the finger and say “pfff, well x person did more”? Of all the times and cases, this really isn’t the one to whinge about. Full gigs or no, it’s more unique/special than the Radiohead content you reckon they should be aspiring to anyway. It’s literally the only thing left from that gig that we haven’t seen anything like before. If you’re yearning for Micro Cuts, Dead Star et al, Youtube’s a click away.
The answer to all your questions is that this is a Muse forum and if we can't complain about inconsequential things here, where can we go (I refuse to go to Reddit). My original post was pretty ineffectual before you paid it more attention than it honestly deserved. I could argue more but I never intended to troll someone into getting so irate. I apologise I've upset you and will think not just twice but three times when posting here.
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1 hour ago, Jobby said:
Genuinely kinda staggered by the sense of entitlement. Don’t really know where to begin.
Easily staggered then. It's not as if I'm directly tweeting the band or shouting that I'll boycott future releases.
1 hour ago, Jobby said:It’s literally 4 free videos of a silly performance that they’re putting out as a one-off because people have been asking to see it for 7 years and they thought it’d lift spirits a bit. If someone you knew made you a small gift during a rough time, would you also pick that apart because you wanted something bigger or something specific and pass it off as “sharing my opinion that I don’t like what you’re doing”?
It was Tom Kirk that hinted/promised that the full gig would be released. That's where the expectation came from so this release is a step down from that. I'm not sure if it's true to say that fans have been explicitly asking for just the 2nd encore for 7 years either. And yes there have been times I've been underwhelmed by gifts and as I've done here, not pushed it directly into the givers face.
1 hour ago, Jobby said:Don’t really see what OOM has to do with anything at all either? It’s the only thing like that that they’ve ever done and has a hell of a lot in it so...yeah, it’s not gonna be cheap, idk what to tell ya. It’s also not exactly extortionate. They’re hardly the first to do limited edition collector’s items either, and they did put out more when it initially sold out. You suggest putting out another version for £60 but that’s still massively expensive for a music release, so you’d effectively be asking “would you like to pay the high price or the even higher price?”
So you say that £120 is not exactly extortionate but then say £60 is massively expensive. Odd... My point is that a lot of fans were priced out of the collection due to its marketing strategy especially those in less prosperous parts of the world. Personally I can easily pay £120 but I recognise I'm lucky. £120 is a lot more expensive for fans in Brazil or Mexico than it is the UK or US. It's not unreasonable to gripe that Muse should have released OOM the same way they released the last four albums, with a tiered release structure. This gives greater access to fans, and it puts more money back into Muse which rewards the hard work that went into the release. The only people who would lose out are people like me who would have one less thing to moan about.
1 hour ago, Jobby said:The board’s dead anyway, at least until the next major release (hopefully). Stuff like this ain’t gonna revive it. For the record, I don’t even wanna watch the footage myself, but moaning that it’s not good enough for one reason or another is just unnecessarily wanky right now imo.
Unnecessarily wanky in relation to Muse? I'll take that as a compliment!
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Good to see the band doubling down by releasing not one but two Zepp Tokyo Panic Station t-shirts....
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The problem with OOM could have easily been fixed by also releasing a CD only package for £60 at most. Not everyone is interested in coloured vinyls or paying for them just to get access to the new material. This is something that other bands do for such releases (and Muse do with their new releases), so I'm hoping Muse or their marketing come to their senses and re-issue a less extravagant package in the near future.
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I think your argument would hold more water if Tom Kirk didn't troll fans on the Zepp gig for so long.
Muse aren't obligated to put anything out, ever. I get that. But as a fan, I'm sick of Muse missing open goals. I agree it's not really valid comparing to other bands, but Radiohead have been on a roll lately making their music and art available for all via their Public Library, whereas Muse seem to throw out a single pro shot (or less) once a year and puts Origin of Muse behind an expensive package and limited release. After 19 years it would be nice to get more than a bone and I'm more interested in Muse's music than laughing at them wearing funny sunglasses ... In terms of gratitude, I express it by buying albums and attending gigs, not by refusing to share my opinion when I don't like what they're doing, on a board that they might only occasionally browse. It's hard to excited about a Pro Shot of Panic Station...
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XI'll give you Eyes but does anyone really need another video of Starlight and Supermassive Blackhole?
My memory was that the first part of the gig got more attention given the setlist included Fury, Futurism, Microcuts, Hyper Music, Dead Star, Yes Please and Agitated. You can dress up Panic Station in costumes but it's still Panic Station...
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What Muse fans want - Zepp gig in full
What Muse thinks fans want - 10 minutes of footage of the band trying on sunglasses, and four heavily setlisted songs from rarites gig...
I wish I was a bigger Radiohead fan, they're getting regular uploads of full gigs into YouTube...
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Mark Beaumont nominating himself I see...
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Well this probably takes the biscuit for most overpriced Muse Merch with artificial scarcity:
https://guitar.com/news/gear-news/manson-guitar-works-extremely-limited-dl-or-dl-or-relic-guitars/