Wraffah
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is there ever streams or pro-shots from Download?
One or two songs might be aired on Kerrang or Scuzz but they don't show full sets anywhere
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This recording sounds wonderful, thank you very much for doing it
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Well exactly. I was there when Chase and Status started, watched the first song, decided they weren't for me, and walked up the hill to go and see Nightwish. Like, you know, an adult. Other people went back to their tents to drink or whatever else. Standing and bottling an act performing at a festival just because you don't like them is just not something which really happens anymore.
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Download isn't a hardcore tr00 metul festival, it's frequented by plenty of normal fans who just like music too. There's Marilyn Manson is playing on another stage for all the bored teenagers to go off to and watch instead of spitefully standing through something they don't like, and I'm pretty sure there'll be enough Muse fans who bought day tickets to balance out any dissenters who remain in the crowd after Faith No More. Muse are one of the biggest and most successful modern rock bands in the UK and the idea of them being bottled off the stage is utterly laughable.
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here's hoping
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I dunno, Download likes a good cheesy singalong too - they've certainly had enough of them over the years for it to not be a dealbreaker. Eg AC/DC, Aerosmith, Iron Maiden, Metallica - all bands with plenty of cheesy singalong hits (though note that use a piano, I'll grant you that) Feeling Good is the sort of song *everyone* knows (i.e. amazing festival fodder, especially when nobody really goes to Download for a band like Muse - it can draw non-fans in) and while Muse setlists are wildly unpredictable I think they'll swing towards safe at shows like this.
As for assassin... I'll believe it when I see it.
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Download / festivals generally I guess:
Psycho
Dead Star
New Born
Interlude / Hysteria
Bliss
[Drones Song]
Starlight
Feeling Good
Butterflies and Hurricanes
Supermassive Black Hole
[Drones Song]
Time is Running Out
Uprising
Reapers
Stockholm Syndrome
Supremacy
Plug In Baby
Knights of Cydonia
I'm not expecting anything grand from the festival shows - a bit heavier than usual, but nothing truly mind-blowing.
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Sunburn x2
Unintended
Uno
New Born
Bliss x3
Space Dementia
Hyper Music x3
Plug in Baby x5
Citizen Erased
Micro Cuts
Screenager
Darkshines
Feeling Good x2
Megalomania
Time Is Running Out x5
Stockholm Syndrome x5
Interlude x4
Hysteria x4
Blackout
Starlight x4
Supermassive Black Hole x5
Knights of Cydonia x5
Uprising x5
Resistance x3
Undisclosed Desires x3
Guiding Light
Unnatural Selection
Supremacy x2
Madness x2
Panic Station x2
Survival x2
Follow Me x2
Animals x3
Explorers
Liquid State x2
Unsustainable x2
Isolated System x2
Psycho x2
Reapers x2
Dead Star x2
Fury x2
Agitated
The Groove
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Belfast was better setlist wise but Manchester's crowd was fucking ridiculous. Annoyed I didn't get MuMu or something but no way I'm gonna complain about that setlist!
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At Manchester now. Stupidly exciting. Venue is way bigger than the Ulster Hall!
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The white one is cut for women (and thin ones at that apparently - no "plus" sizes as I heard) so factor that in to your decisions, or dont...
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You're a fine one for calling me a waffler when you've written two incoherent paragraphs on a tangent that I never once presented myself, mischaracterising and misconstruing what were already rather simple sentences in order to try and present me as some sort of killjoy busybody or some other nonsense. I have been at pains to note that nobody "took offense" to it and your lack of comprehension of this is remarkable. I already said I have no more time for your shenanigans and you won't be getting a rise out of me. Pip pip.
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lol Talk about makin a mountain outta a mole-hill......It wasnt poorly received at all and no it did not seem awkward. If someone felt awkward, its one of those ppl that just LOVE to tell evryone that they come from Northern Ireland and about the troubles. The problem now over here is not the troubles or talking about them....its the ppl who love to be these white knight elitist trouble braggers...."oh god no one talk about the troubles because you werent there and dont understand our plight or struggle". Boringgg.
If you genuinely feel quite 'Raw' and 'not used to hearing those words'....u need to grow up and stop being a big girls blouse. Its YOU thats boring the arse off everyone.
Yet you're the one who's so outraged that you feel the need to ignore the posts above and bring us back to this point... it's almost like you're looking for an argument and frankly I don't have the time for it. Good day lad.
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How old are you? I was born in Belfast in 1960 and lived in a suburb of the most violent part of Belfast until 1982. Talking about The Troubles has never been 'a massive taboo' for me, nor for anyone I know. And yes, I did know people who were murdered, and so did my family and friends.
I accept that it may have been awkward - I was told earlier on this thread that the gig wouldn't be a political rally because I was concerned that someone might hand Matt a flag which would be bound to upset people. I had no idea he had an uncle who had been killed in Belfast. 'People like yourself trying to downplay or trivialise?' You mean people like me who lived through the most violent years of The Troubles? I was in no way downplaying or trivialising this. I also take issue with your assertion that 'at least 40% of the people at that show would be Republicans.' You are assuming that all Catholics are Republicans which is not true; I myself am Catholic.
Old enough and sensible enough to know that there's a very good reason bands on tour in Ireland don't talk about or provoke things. I've been to plenty of shows there and its never, ever been mentioned before - and nor has it been an issue. Eg Iron Maiden dropped the Trooper from their set at the Odyssey in 2011 because Bruce runs around waving a Union Flag as part of the show. If bands as large as Maiden won't play a song about the Crimean War in case it pisses someone off, bringing The Troubles up explictly should have been an obviously bad idea.
The dedicated song was Uprising. The political connotations are so obvious I don't even feel I should have to keep pointing them out. at no stage have I said it was anything but a tragedy that people lost their lives in the conflict - but this show, their first in Belfast since 2006, was not the forum to share that. If you're going to tell me otherwise, perhaps you should have been at the show and watched it go down like a lead balloon for yourself. I wouldn't make this up. I'd much rather be bragging about catching every rare song they've played lately bar Yes Please and Map of the Problematique than splitting hairs about this!
It was only an awkward moment as people didn't know how to react. It was not ill-judged as he did not voice an opinion of it, he only stated that his uncle was killed which there is absolutely no problem mentioning in this context.Your statement that at least 40% of the crowd are republican is both misinformed and innapropriate for a music forum.
I disagree that it wasn't ill judged for the reasons above. The fact we're talking about this instead of how good and exciting the show was proves that to me. If you disagree, that's okay too - we don't have to keeping hammering through on this topic. My main point throught this has been that it is awkward and for that reason I think something else should have been said which wasn't awkward. That is literally all I am arguing here. The republicans example is based on a simplistic assumption that, as the society is roughly 47% unionist and 45% nationalist, it would break down into 40% of each and 20% from abroad or undeclared. This is a guess based on the rough breakdown of Northern Irish demographics as disclosed in the 2011 census and some mild guesswork, rather than some empirical statement. It at no point has extremist (ie actively terrorist supporting) implications in my usage, as it is a political word used to describe a political viewpoint (which I myself hold), and I would apologise if you assumed that I was labelling almost half the crowd as such. That was never my intention.
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And what was wrong with that? Yes, his uncle was a soldier who was shot dead in 1979. The person who said 'You just don't talk about The Troubles' is wrong, unless he has personal experience of having lost someone close and he and his family don't want to talk about it. I knew Matt's Mum came from Belfast but, until reading about this, I didn't know about his uncle, so he has a double connection with Belfast. I'm furious that neither the belefasttelegraph.co.uk nor BBC1 NI News even mentioned that one of the biggest bands in the world played in Belfast on Sunday. Was there anything in the local papers?
Generally the words "killed here" and "The Troubles" won't win you any favours in Ireland, even for those of us that come from here. In our post conflict country, we're still very raw and not used to hearing those words. It's a massive taboo and we don't talk about it, never mind English people or anyone else coming over and talking to us about it as an ill judged attempt to connect with us. Consider that at least 40% of the people at that show would be Republicans who object to any and all British involvement in the North at least in theory, if not through active engagement themselves, and you should at least be able to appreciate why it was not a good idea - it immediately splits the crowd into "us" and "them", which is what we've spent the past 15 years trying (for the most part, unsuccessfully) to grow beyond.
I think it's a fair bet that most of the people in the crowd were affected by some family connection in the Troubles - we're a small, humble place, and the attacks during those years were both disturbingly common and had a massive, far reaching impact. Pretty much everyone from here lost a friend or relative during them, if not more. It wasn't poorly received out of spite or disgust - nobody booed it and nobody left the show or anything, at least that I'm aware of - and the show moved on almost immediately, but it was awkward - I noticeably felt the atmosphere just shrink, and the people around me made awkward jokes amongst themselves to diffuse it in that particular Northern Irish Way - and in that light I'm not comfortable with people like yourself trying to downplay or trivialise it.
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Someone asked if hyper music was matt or chris on the chorus, it was chris
also the crowd didnt do the "ohhh-oHHHH" chant which sucked (though i had earplugs in so maybe i just couldnt hear it, but i could hear most of the other crowd interactions)
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if anyone is looking for a hotel, the pollard street ibis is still only at £30 for a room that sleeps 4 atm.
Hope this helps someone
Just booked this, thanks for the tip! hadnt considered staying over in manchester but this makes much more sense than getting a coach back to Birmingham for 3am...
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everyone's in the other thread
http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/muse/2015/ulster-hall-belfast-northern-ireland-73cbd69d.html
setlist there
new songs were amazing live, especially Psycho cause people actually knew it lmao
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The problem I have with the Dead Star 2 comment is Dead Star doesn't have any obvious influence like this song does with about 10 different classic rock songs. It's heavy and that's about all it has in common with Dead Star.
I think it makes sense though, dead star doesn't really need a sequel and parts of this song are trying too hard (waaaaaay too much fretboard wankery) which come off as though they're deliberately chasing another dead star. But it was still amazing, so, ok.
also the classic rock influences definitely don't come over live or on the videos to me, it felt much heavier and intense when I was there, so I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on that count.
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Also re: The Troubles stuff - it was Matt who had a family member shot (his uncle, I think). I think a lot of it was lost in translation because of the chatting in the crowd so all we heard was something about the Troubles in 1979 and then Uprising started. It was a little awkward but sure, no harm was meant.
+1 to this, basically I didn't seem to explain it very well on Twitter - nobody took offence, it was just like, nobody knew how - or whether - to react so it just went stony silent until the song started.
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Reapers was absolutely amazing live, I was trying to soak it all in and not overanalysing how well his falsetto was used or trying to place riffs or whatever, as a whole it was heavy as hell and I'm standing by that Dead Star 2 comment... for now anyway. I thought it was amazing, certainly one of the most impressive first listens I've had.
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People posting your tweets.
Ah, so nothing important then...
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Well that was good. What did I miss?
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I'm certainly not complaining!
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I don't have much of a choice in the matter lol
Was there anything in the local papers?
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Dead Inside - 9/10 - Definitely one of my favourite Muse songs ever. It's like Madness but it's actually enjoyable to listen to, great to sing along with, and has a great vibe.
Drill Sergeant / Psycho - 8/10 - Much better live. Great song, shade repetitive with that riff, but definitely one of the albums highlights.
Mercy - 6/10 - We already have Starlight, we don't need another one.
Reapers - 7/10 - Don't like it on record, it sounds much tamer than I remember it being live. Still an "alright" song, but quite middle of the road really.
The Handler - 10/10 - Probably the best thing Muse have done since 2006. Though I'm not really sure that's saying very much.
JFK / Defector - 5/10 - Sounds like he was reading the sort of youtube comments you'd find on videos about the Illuminati and chemtrails. Utter nonsense, and totally stains the song. Don't really like the soar of SOCIETY and other words. Kind of disappointing because I really like the instrumentation on it, solo excluded.
Revolt - 1/10 - Convinced that this must be a pisstake. It's like they were trying to write something worse than Big Freeze for a bet.
Aftermath - 3/10 - Boring as fuck.
The Globalist - 6/10 - Too slow to build up, totally wasted middle section which just happens with no meaningful transition and is effectly over before it really gets to do anything, and what the hell was that outro? That this is one of the better moments of the second half of the album really speaks to the drop in quality between the first and second halves of it.
Drones - 2/10 - Well, it is what it is. It doesn't really fit in with the rest of the album, it doesn't really recall a motif from the album as a whole, and really its just sort of... there. Ho hum. Forgettable at best.
Album - 7/10. Has some of the best recent Muse songs on it, and has some utterly bewildering moments showing their very worst judgement. Not their best, but still better than Resistance and Second Law, so... yay?