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The Handler is not one of their best since Abso
You're right, for me it's their best effort since Absolution.
Exogenesis and MK Ultra aside, Reapers, The Handler, Defector and The Globalist beat anything off the last two records in my opinion.
Plus US was good, but too similar to New Born's riff for me and the breakdown seems to lose it's way slightly. Absolutely battered that album when it first came out so I know it's not just a case of me not listening to it enough either.
Overall, i'd put the album on a similar level to Black Holes and as others have said, it's a step back in the right direction, they just need to cut out the sillier moments and lyrics imo and it would have been right up there with OOS and Abso.
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Citizen returned after 2 years, since Demember 2013
Really? That's strange a lot of people there were saying they couldn't believe it was back after four years, since Reading. Where did they play it in 2013?
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Just got back, wow what a performance. And Citizen returned after four years. I am surprised I didn't disrupt the performance the way I was squealing
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Album is garnering a lot of praise from most critics it seems, many of the one's we've heard from so far anyway. Just waiting for Pitchfork to chime in now
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Because Muse isn't that deep of a band. I think fans put more thought and analysis into Muse songs than Muse themselves do lol.
People often say this, but I think certain tracks are as "deep" as anything else in rock or alternative music.
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When The 2nd Law came out, people were SO sure it was better than The Resistance and I'm even pretty sure when TR came out initially people thought it was better than BHaR. The honey moon period is always the same around here, people have to believe that the album that just came out was at least better than the last one.
The Handler, Reapers and The Globalist are the only songs I really enjoy, and the latter has some of the most illogical choices within the song that I think Muse has ever made. Admittedly I have to wonder if my young self would have liked this album more, because my music taste probably has changed since then but the fact that they think that songs like Revolt are okay is just a bit much to look past at this point.
I definitely didn't think The Resistance was better than Black Holes and I know for a fact I didn't think T2L was better than The Resistance. Drones, however, I feel is better than both and at least on a par with Black Holes.
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that was fun to read.
I wanna hear what they made of the title track
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Even Drill Sergeant is better than Revolt
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Most other bands I listen to are VERY ambiguous with their lyrics, so yeah, I'm not into being overly blatant. I know it's all opinions, and I get your preference, but I'm a little disappointed I guess?
There's an argument that those kind of lyrics are easier to write though. I do it prefer when muse are less obvious, but I can only applaud the effort to try and make it all make sense on a concept album, something which I wouldn't imagine being easy.
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Well I do agree that the song has to be obvious what it's about on first listen or else the concept falls apart. If you're still trying to work out the meaning after three listens full of metaphors etc. it would ruin the flow in my eyes.
True enough, just gotta find that fine line then. I love Defector but don't think i'll ever not cringe when I hear that yellow belly line
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Really? Oh. Well that explains the last two albums to. Mutt time traveled back in time and told Matt to be as blunt as possible.
Haha, well yeah I guess you're right. But I think some of lyrics on the last two were just plain bad/out of place, whereas some on Drones were bad because they were so literal and forced at times
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Well Matt has one explanation for the, at times, awful lyrics. He said in tonights Radio 6 interview that Mutt told him to be more clear and simple so it's easily relatable to the concept or something along those lines
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Intersting perspective, I think I would agree with it too.
Wow, the first bit of positive feedback I think I've ever had on the board!
Yeah it's probably what was in mind, and i'm not saying people can't still dislike the songs because of it (as I said, I think Revolt is very weak), but I feel like that would be Matt's justification for the inclusion of the more flamboyant elements of those tracks and in a sense, I can see how it works when you play the album in it's entirety a couple of times.
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Starting to think the Queen elements actually work in the context of the whole album, as the places they show up are around the time when the protagonist is rebelling and both the Defector and Revolt seem to convey a sense of euphoria. After this they cease during the more melancholy track Aftermath until the lament of Drones (if we consider the Globalist as seperate from the narrative).
However, still dont rate Revolt at all
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I missed that discussion early about the tonal shift from The Handler to Defector, but really it's in The Handler the protagonist starts to rebel, so I'm not sure what that one guy found so jarring about it.
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Right I'm digging The Handler more now. Really like Matt's singing in it!
I'm shocked it's taken you this long to be honest
One of the darkest, most instantly accessible songs Muse have done in a while I think. -
Regardless of how I will perceive Revolt in the future, if I didn't force myself to relisten some songs I wouldn't have the broad music taste that I have now.
Yeah I remember someone saying on here a while back that music shouldn't be hard work, but some things just dont click on the first few listens. Radiohead is the best example I can think of, I think I have appreciated maybe 4 or 5 songs from them after the first listen, the rest took patience and repeated listenings, there's just too much going on. I find that it's that kind of music becomes my favourite in the end though.
Having said all that, I'm in double figures on Revolt plays now and if anything, it's starting to sound worse. Like, a lot worse. Initially I didn't think it was all that bad, but I just can't get over the "you can grow" backing vocals and the goofy guitar build up to the chorus. Makes me wonder what Matt hears when he is done with a track like that.
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Again, I just think the concept was tacked at the the end rather from being there from the beginning....
It definitely wasn't, and interviews before the album was recorded and since it was recorded can attest to this.
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A mixed bag for me, I think the strongest points of the album are up there with some of the best stuff they've done, whilst the weak elements are down there with the worst imo.
Which in fairness, is more than can be said for T2L and The Resistance. (bar Exo perhaps)
I think the main issue, ahead of the poor lyrics and cheese, is the sheer length of some songs, or some parts of songs.
-Dead Inside's end section seems to drag
-Psycho is so long it borders on repetitive
-The Handler (despite being an absolutely stellar track) could have it's solo trimmed. Quite brutally trimmed to be honest. I think it goes on entirely too long.
-Defector could have it's entire second verse taken out completely and work much better imo
-As many have said, The Globalist needs to have that end piano section cut down substantially. I think I will be removing it completely like a few others have stated for future listens
-Whilst I didn't dislike Drones as much as others, it should have been at least a minute shorter.
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Have you seen this?
http://www.nme.com/news/muse/85905
Muse say they want to turn new album 'Drones' into a musical
The album is quite suitable for a musical i'd say.
Matt is Billy Joe Armstrong 2 confirmed.
Nah but seriously I guess it could be ok, if musicals are your thing
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Jesus some people will never be satisfied. I went in with moderate expectations, and was not disappointed.
Some of you look like you were expecting the second coming of jesus or some shit.
:LOL:I haven't heard it yet, but im going in with similarly moderate expectations
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Ok, so I didnt want to listen to the album until later on tonight but the reactions here forced my hand. I listened to Revolt because so many people were saying how awful it was, comparisons to Big Freeze, One Direction and Charlotte Church coming out
My god this board overreacts sometimes, it's not even a bad song. The chorus is actually quite nice as an uplifting number. Makes me doubt some of the other stuff said here about different tracks now if that is being unanimously written off as the worst song.
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I haven't heard it yet but I refuse to believe this album is as bad as people are making out. It just simply can't be. Surely...
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I'm sure it will. More people are going to get it now, even if the two we've seen are don't leak it. It literally could just pop up any time. Someone who isn't bragging about getting it may be uploading it as we speak.
It's very much conceivable that no one will want to be the first to leak it though, for a variety of reasons.
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I don't really think a guy who writes and performs tracks like USOE and Panic Station considers himself to be very dark at all
. I think matt is very much in touch with how cheesy Muse songs can sound, and also how dark they can sound if he wants. Plus, it's like you said, dark doesn't necessarily mean better. I have a friend who thinks Christopher Nolan should direct pretty much ANYTHING and have it be super dark and gritty but what he doesn't seem to grasp is that it's not always needed. I find that when there is no respite from constant brutality, in any medium, it can be exhausting.
Going off topic slightly but take for example Hannibal, as Citizen Erased #01 mentioned. A programme that encourages it's audience to flirt with the idea of being a serial killer through the main character Will Graham, but always retains the overarching notion that they are still trying to catch Hannibal and bring him to justice. As a result, the show is one of the darkest on television, maybe THE darkest, yet it's not hopelessly bleak.
I know nobody was saying it was a bad thing, but I like that Muse have darker and lighter elements to their sound and I think it's why their back catalogue sounds do diverse and has been so accessible for people.