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He does have a point though. The lyrics in Reapers are so fucking vague and generic.
as specific as they should be on the subject of drone warfare imo. these lyrics are already unsubtle, imagine matt singing something like "obama, stop killing innocent civilians in northern pakistan in non-surgical drone attacks"
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What's this guys?
http://www.timeout.com/london/music/muse-drones-album-review
It is not even a review. I dunno, it's smth else.
Lol, the things he accuses Muse that they didn't tackle, they actually did in Reapers; lack of accountability "and there's no one behind the wheel", civilians killed by drones "home, it's becoming a killing field", etc...
what was he looking for in a concept rock album? the statistics?
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So wait, if I'm getting this right, most people here (kind of) liked The Handler lyrics but absolutely hate Defector ones? Why is "I'm escaping from your grip, you'll never own me again" better that "you can't control me, I'm a defector". Good or bad, they're pretty similar...
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a friend was teasing me that the fact the album hasn't leaked means no one really cares about muse.
come on, people, somebody prove him wrong
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So, the JFK music is the ending of Defector, right?
Sounds cool
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OK, Reapers has the best chorus Muse ever did.I have to admit, it's definitely got the catchiest chorus melody of any Muse song. It's been stuck in my head for nearly 2 months....every day!
Seriously? I'm assuming neither of you has listened to Glorious's chorus for a while - the best chorus in the history of rock music
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Decent song descriptions I guess, but it's not really a review, is it? I don't think he expresses opinions on the tracks or on the album as a whole, apart from "it's more focused than The 2nd Law".
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Musewiki can be edited by anyone, so that doesn't necessarily mean anything. After listening again, I'm thinking "gutless" is the most accurate guess so far.
As far as the lyrics, I do really like this part at least:
Absent gods
in silent tyranny
We're going under
Hypnotized by another puppeteer
I don't have a problem with the lyrics tbh, it was just that bit that I found odd. I don't even mind the "eat my soul" bit since he's talking about ghosts so it kind of makes sense...? At least in a horror film kind of way...
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I thought I heard "guiltless" earlier. It's hard to tell some times with Matt.
ah, that actually make more sense. I saw the godless lyric on musewiki too, though
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The song isn't from his own perspective.
agreed, but narrative wise we align with the main character. and he also stuffs together in the same chorus powers that be, killing machines, the mean... all the favourite Bellamy villains
found it a bit strange that the godless are included in such company -
"show me mercy from the godless and mean"
lol, wtf, is matt religious and attacking atheists now or am I reading way too much into it?
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Am, G, F, E... is that a general example of the cadence, or of The Globalist's use of it? Because then The Globalist is in C.
(vi V IV III)
I think the first time it goes like AmGFE and then it changes and goes to AmDmGF and then goes to C chord. I *think*
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And if it's different enough to not be considered the same song, or a "cover" - it's a clear rip off, and that's terribly disappointing.
I really don't believe Bellamy thinks he's reached his peaks of originality with this intro. it's obvious from the making of clip as well that he wants us to think of Morricone.
Sure some of the notes may be different but if you described the songs on paper they're literally identical. They even progress the same way as different instruments are added. Acoustic guitar comes in at the same time as a marching drum beat? Really?Since the notes *are* different (and so is the chord progression up to a point), they cannot be *literally* identical on paper. My comment was referring mostly to the idea that Morricone should be credited on the album. I've already said the orchestration is pretty much the same but personally I don't find that troubling at all. It's kind of cheeky and playful
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I find it baffling that people still say the globalist beginning is a complete l'arena rip-off and Morricone should be credited. While it's an obvious homage (with the whistling and orchestration and everything) the chord progression and whistling melodies are different (for example L'arena starts with Dm, then moves to G, F and Bb, Muse uses the classic andalusian cadence in the beginning Am G,F,E). They are very similar of course but Morricone would/should be credited only if the melodies were *identical*, right?
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Also from what I remember, it was the other stuff to the orchestration that reminded me of L'Arena, and that reminded me of other stuff. But who knows. Maybe on the album it will be credited as "featuring a cover of L'Arena as part of the intro". It's a good piece of music though.
Personally speaking, the moment I heard the Globalist whistling, I thought "Morricone"! And I didn't even really know the L'arena piece nor am I a huge Morricone fan. My point being that even if they whisteld Beethoven's 5th on top of those strings, it would probably still remind me of that morricone sound. But since the melody is not the same, I think it'd be absurd to give morricone any official credit at all in the album. I mean, will they also credit Queen for the vocal harmonies too?
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I think it was mostly matt's early vocal style resembling yorke's that boosted the comparisons. imo showbiz is influenced by radiohead, but honestly, if you're a birtish band in 1999 and you're not at least a bit influenced by the ok-computer sound, there's probably something wrong with you
After OoS I'm not hearing radiohead at all (maybe just in Animals a bit) -
I agree to an extent. But I simply can't deny BH&R was the first Muse album that featured songs which reminded me overwhelmingly of other acts. Since then, it has only got more noticeable on each subsequent album.
LPs 1-3 sound, to me definitively like Muse, first and foremost. LPs 4-6 sound like Muse, but with very discernible nods to other acts. Not on every track, of course, but I still subconsciously make a distinction.
It does bug me, a bit. I'm sure I'm not the only one who listened to USoE for the first time and immediately thought Queen. Does it bother me? No. It's in moderation, and it's a terrific song. Same for Map Of The Problematique venturing into Depeche Mode territory. It works because it's great.
I just wish I got more of a pang of the twisted originality and/or meld of influences that cane together to inspire the sound on OoS and Absolution. Perhaps it's not even a sound, but rather a mindset or ethos.
I agree. Absolution was the album that, for me, perfected that distinct Muse sound, and from BHaR onwards they started experimenting with different sounds (not a bad thing)! The biggest accusation they've faced, though, is that they are a Radiohead rip-off act, and that accusation refers mostly to their first 3 albums. I think if people want to find something to say, they just will.
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wow, haven't been in here for three years or something, since T2L was released
I think the whole "oh that song reminds me of these song(s)" has become sligthly ridiculous - to the point that people don't enjoy songs anymore, they're just breaking them down to little pieces and try to trace the influences of each piece. I mean I'm pretty sure many great twelve-bar blues songs sound (very) similar - what does it matter? who cares?
anyway, from what i've heard, the globalist intro's chord progression and whistling melody are different from the l'arena one, the orcehstration, however, is almost identical. imo it sounds similar enough to be an (obvious and intentional) "homage" but not too similar to be a "blatant rip-off".
ok, enough from me now, I'll probably shut up for the next three years anyway, until album no.8 is due
Drones Album Reviews
in Muse In the Media
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The way I see it, it all boils down to whether someone enjoys muse's bombastic prog-ish rock or not. It has been like that probably since Absolution (which btw has a 72/100 metacritic score - not so great). Indie-oriented sites/magazines obviously do not enjoy Muse so much and Drones is definitely not going to change that, however "stripped back" its sound may be.