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Ultimately, the touts are extracting every last penny of revenue out of the market.
The majority of people buy tickets at face value and obviously think it's worth it otherwise they wouldn't pay it.
The touts come along and take advantage of those who are willing to pay even more, but missed out at the original sale.
I wouldn't ever buy a ticket from a tout at twice the price of face value. But some people would - it's those morons who get over emotional about going to see three blokes piss about with guitars and shit that need their heads checking. £100 to see Muse? fuck me
Ah, but the majority of these people only missed out because of the touts who bought them to resell for a profit in the first place. Granted there are some people who'd rather buy them later, closer to the date, and don't mind paying over the odds, but I'm pretty sure most try and fail to get any at the general sale, and hence have to buy them off the secondary market.
Funnily enough, the laws of economy dictate that this secondary market actually determines the real price, i.e. the price people are willing to pay for the ticket, so I guess the real solution would be if every ticket (or indeed every good with a limited, finite supply) was sold in this way and therefore every penny of the profit is shared by the band and record company. However, the band/record label have collectively made the decision not to and are happy to sell at a fixed price. If this was enforced by the law of the land (like they've done with football tickets), then no one else would financially gain from the concert apart from the people involved, which is how it should be.
Yes, forcing people (who genuinely cannot make the gig) to resell at face value creates an artificial price with regards to market forces of supply and demand, but then it was an artificial price to begin with anyway. I guess it all boils down to ethics really more than economics.
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Whilst I agree about most of what's said about ebay and the dodgy sites, I wouldnt accept that all secondary market sites are are any worse than ebay - With ebay you're totally stuffed if your tickets dont turn up. Yes these guys are acting as a middlemand but the difference is that they guarantee your seat and the seller has to pick up the bill if they have to buy replacement tickets - they all ask the seller for a credit card guarantee.
GetMeIn for example is owned by ticketmaster and they absolutely guarantee you tickets if your seller fouls up - case in point for me last week when I had to get Muse tickets for last Friday's O2 gig. I absolutely had to go last Friday and there was nothing coming up on musebay - I refused to use ebay so Getmein were my last resort - as of 5 days before the gig my tickets still hadnt arrived and getmein put in a process which meant that I would get my tickets and I picked them up from their offices in Leicester Sq on Thursday. The other point is that I got to choose where my tickets were seated. This is the first time I've ever used them and I hope the last but to be fair to them I would say they did their job. In an emergency these particular sites can be ok ( eg Seatwave, gmi and viagogo) - I wouldnt have missed last Friday ! (even though I did go Thursday as well!
I'm certainly intending to go to both Old Trafford and Wembley and I'm thankful that I'm going to be around this week to get pre-sale tickets.
I don't deny that it's possible to get tickets via secondary ticket agencies, what I mean is that there's no guarantee of it arriving, especially for a concert like Muse where tickets fetched very high prices just before the gig. Now obviously GetMeIn is backed by Ticketmaster so there's a level of security there, but there's no such guarantee for Viagogo or Seatwave, just a refund. By the way, as much as I detest eBay you're not totally stuffed if they don't arrive. The Paypal guarantee is in place so you get your money back too, and the advantage over the others is that there's a feedback system. It would be very rare for a verified seller with thousands of feedback with 99% rating to not deliver.
On a side note, the main advantage with eBay however is that when there are loads of unsold tickets for whatever reason, you can pick up a real bargain. For example, Arctic Monkeys Wembley arena tickets are going for around £5-10 each now which I'm mighty tempted to go to. Apart from mammoth bands like Muse or Green Day I only ever pay below face value for gig tickets these days
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I'm so annoyed. I bought tickets from seatwave the day after release for the 13th nov. gig but was informed at the end of last week that the seller I had bought the tickets from was unable to furfill my request. *Screams*!!!!!
Seatwave in a way is worse than eBay as it has the same extortionate prices but as in the example above some sellers don't go ahead with the sale at the last minute as they either don't have the tickets to sell, or have sold it on for a higher price on eBay/elsewhere. Essentially you're buying from sellers with absolutely no feedback so you have no idea whether you're going to get the tickets or not, just a guarantee of a refund if they don't arrive, although that hardly helps if you've been looking forward to the gig for months. What a lot of people don't realise is that you're actually just buying from a random person (ie most likely a tout if the prices are really high) and not a reputable company or anything. Same with viagogo, and other ticket exchange websites.
don't use gumtree!i bought 4 tickets for £200 for tonight, and they never came, and the person has neglected to contact me. i feel sick from stupidity
I know you don't need anyone to make you feel any worse, but please don't tell me you paid a stranger before you received the tickets? I don't understand, why? Did you just wire the money over or meet face to face?
I think pre-sale should only go to members of muse.mu and the forums but who have also shown somesort of commitment to the band....eg. the whole Eurasia treasure hunt process or bought the special edition album sets. It might deter the touts who have no real interest in Muse.Having just been robbed of 120 quid by ukticketfactory.com for tickets to liverpool last week im going to be uber careful in the future! see you all outside LCCC on friday morning!
These 'companies' are sneaky as it all looks official and the website sounds genuine but to be honest anyone with a basic knowledge of html can make a website these days, all they need is a genuine sounding url like uksoldouttickets.com for example. If you really need tickets and don't mind paying over the odds, you should only buy from websites which are members of ASTA UK (The Association of Secondary Ticket Agents): http://www.asta-uk.org/asta_members.php.
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The Real Hustle - Supermassive Black Hole is on every episode, and Hysteria was on the day. I'm sure TIRO was also used. One of the producers must be a Muse fan or something.
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Eternally Missed, Crying Shame, and Fury. I always forget about the b-sides after a while for some reason..
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I had my first Muse dream the other day and I blame this board. It's quite literally the last thing I do before I go to bed..
god I'm so sad.I was in Dom's house, he invited me or I won a competition or something. It was a nice Georgian type huge house, but it was somewhere in France I think. It was very sunny and the interior was really lavish and ornate with loads of rooms, but he was just in his normal clothes and he was laughing and joking about a lot, don't ask me what I cant remember. and he had these huge dogs. Also near the end I met his 2 baby dughters (wtf?) who were really cute. But then he changed into someone else and I can't remember the rest.
I also had a random dream about people from the board (with avas instead of faces), I thought I was the only one but it turns out there is a thread for those aswell?!
I really need to stop spending so much time here. I stopped after wembley but HAARP's set me off again. Any tips would be appreciated.
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