web feature Muse Urges Its Fans To Take The Red Pill

[CarrieB]

The idea behind a n.w.o.is to have a one world government. A government that's in change of the world rather than septate government for septate countrey's

This government will control not just how we live but also control population.

Keeping the population down and under control . .

This is something that's being worked on and has been worked on for a long time.

 

Once a long time ago you would have lived on some land that was passed to you from family. You would grow your own food, raise chickens and hunt for food. It was hard work but you were free.

 

One day a king decided the land was his and ordered you to pay taxes on the land. If you could not afford this, your house was burnt down and you could be killed. This was control.

We have been so domesticated now that we live in box houses and buy food from a shop. Most of us cant hunt and don't Know how to grow food, most of us are foresd to work in jobs we hate to make money to pay the government and buy food that is wrapped up ready to go. We are no longer free but slaves to the government . But we are happy as long as we got TV and a mobile phone.

If we don't stand up and be counted, there will come a time when you cant even buy a house or choose were we live , or is that now?

 

I agree with a lot of this but again one major problem is the idea that there is a world elite with the capacity to organise this one world government. I have been researching this more this afternoon, and, I accept, on the basis of what I have read so far, mainly on an academic site, that the first Bush administration had plans for world domination and it seems plausible that Bush jnr followed suit, and this appears to be based on an ethnocentric position that the American outlook is the right one. But there are also different definitions of what New World Order is. It appears that basically it is used to define the the period of history which has followed the cold war (maybe it should be called New World Disorder) and that there have been various ideas of how international relations should progress under the western philosophy of liberty and freedom. Bush snr used the phrase to refer to a world government led by America, but also as a rhetoric to justify war. However following the unilateral invasion of Iraq, America is in a less powerful position internationally. More recently Gordon Brown used the definition to mean the use of Keynesian style economics and embracing China and India as major economic forces. (Correct me if I am wrong on this - it's what I have read). Thus it isn't a clear concept. It's a rhetorical phrase. And this is only from wikipaedia but more recently right wing elements have jumped on the concept, in order to address their fears of a large state and the threat of totalitarianism.

 

What I think is, that it is right to be concerned and not to be totally dismissive as there are power groups which do things for less than desirable motives. But where this comes unstuck is in the idea of one power group which infiltrates all levels of society. If people think that President Obama, for example, is going to be the least bit connected with what happens in a Lady Gaga video, I'm sure they are wrong. Capitalism has some undesirable affects as have been described, and if governments facilitate it and ignore other options then they are partly responsible for those affects, but I very much doubt that they actually deliberately design those affects in order to use them for their agenda.

[Davinq]

The new world order attack on our society is about more than politics, money, and power – it’s about stealing the minds of our own children and filling them with self-destructive, humanist, post-modernist, spiritually devoid crap that destroys their innocence, their hope, their strength of character and their moral compass.

 

I find that quite offensive. Since when was humanism a bad thing? And since when were Muse on the other side of that spectrum?

[CarrieB]

I find that quite offensive. Since when was humanism a bad thing? And since when were Muse on the other side of that spectrum?

 

Good point. I just re-read it and there's something uncomfortable about the second part of the article. I can't quite put my finger on it, but it sounds like a right wing moral crusade. I picked up a similar feeling from the David Icke site.

 

Though Matt has spoken about shallow being the new currency and I agree with him that there is dumbing down happening as commercial enterprises pick the cheapest most, widely profitable avenues, I really don't get the impression some of the article is the kind of stuff that Muse would want to be associated with.

 

And this is what I'm trying to get my head round. I have the image of a right wing organisation saying:

 

This is what we created for you (as commercialism is generally the result of right wing policies). Now we are going to attack it in order to manipulate you into believing that the real villain is the kind of society we overturned. But Bush administrations were also right wing so I'm not sure whether I'm mistaking their motivations.

[Zaphod Chizzlebrox]

The idea behind a n.w.o.is to have a one world government. A government that's in change of the world rather than septate government for septate countrey's

This government will control not just how we live but also control population.

Keeping the population down and under control . .

This is something that's being worked on and has been worked on for a long time.

 

Once a long time ago you would have lived on some land that was passed to you from family. You would grow your own food, raise chickens and hunt for food. It was hard work but you were free.

 

One day a king decided the land was his and ordered you to pay taxes on the land. If you could not afford this, your house was burnt down and you could be killed. This was control.

We have been so domesticated now that we live in box houses and buy food from a shop. Most of us cant hunt and don't Know how to grow food, most of us are foresd to work in jobs we hate to make money to pay the government and buy food that is wrapped up ready to go. We are no longer free but slaves to the government . But we are happy as long as we got TV and a mobile phone.

If we don't stand up and be counted, there will come a time when you cant even buy a house or choose were we live , or is that now?

 

Shouls we be putting our tinfoil hats on about now?

[hyper_chondriac_muser]

Personally I think that Matt does still believe some of this stuff has grounds. Probably some of it has. I don't think Muse use it as a gimmick. But I don't get the impression that he's as blinkered as some of the people who come on declaring all of it as the truth. I reckon he's open minded and I think everyone should be. In discarding every conspiracy theory there is a danger of throwing out the baby with the bathwater because the distortion of the truth goes on all the time. Saying that I'm pretty sure myself there is no such thing as a NWO. There is no such thing as an illuminati who brainwash people. There is a natural elite in society - the people who are born with the silver spoon in their mouths and get the most opportunities; there are power struggles which involve corruption at times; and there is Capitalism which favours the powerful.

 

There's a lot in this that I agree with. I like to keep an open mind, but I'm still quite grounded. Nonetheless, I think there's a lot of 'subtle' brainwashing going on, but it's hardly a new concept - i.e. the government feeding people what they want us to know via the media; corporations, politicians and the world's bureaucrats are the ones in power, so they can be the 'puppet masters' of society. They can pass their codes, laws and regulations; conceal a lot of the truth or disclose only parts of it, safe in the knowledge that the general public won't protest (much). It's largely why there's such corruption in a lot of developing countries - fear is a powerful tool that many govts and leaders used before (Hitler, Saddam, Stalin etc.) to keep people subdued and obedient. To keep them docile. Imo, this is still going on across the world, it's just been refined and sophisticated in the West, like an underhanded and ironically classier way of stunning the masses, as opposed to being overtly depraved and illicit, like many areas of the East.

 

But there is only one Muse!

 

Yes, but 'Muse' refers to more than one individual that make up one band. Muse ARE Matt, Dom and Chris. It can work as a collective noun, which is what the website has used, but it just sounds wrong, imo. You wouldn't say 'The Killers urges its fans to take the red pill', because their name is plural, but it's the same concept.

[Rage Kitty]

[Davinq]

There's a lot in this that I agree with. I like to keep an open mind, but I'm still quite grounded. Nonetheless, I think there's a lot of 'subtle' brainwashing going on, but it's hardly a new concept - i.e. the government feeding people what they want us to know via the media; corporations, politicians and the world's bureaucrats are the ones in power, so they can be the 'puppet masters' of society. They can pass their codes, laws and regulations; conceal a lot of the truth or disclose only parts of it, safe in the knowledge that the general public won't protest (much). It's largely why there's such corruption in a lot of developing countries - fear is a powerful tool that many govts and leaders used before (Hitler, Saddam, Stalin etc.) to keep people subdued and obedient. To keep them docile. Imo, this is still going on across the world, it's just been refined and sophisticated in the West, like an underhanded and ironically classier way of stunning the masses, as opposed to being overtly depraved and illicit, like many areas of the East.

 

I tend to disagree with people who say the government controls the media. True, there are the occasional grand reveals when the CIA has been discovered to have hired journalists to write on the behalf of the government, but the main drive is, crazily enough, money. They know what the people like to watch and give it to them. Crazy stuff boosts the ratings, and they win dough.

 

Because people are biased though, and that bias finds its way into news stories (eg Faux News), peoples' minds can be easily influenced by what they are told to be true. At the stage where they realise it should be taken with a grain of salt, the next conclusion is somehow 'OMG GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY', which while plausible, isn't logical. It's just good business, with a sprinkle of human error.

 

That sounds like a lot of generalising when I edit through it.

 

*snip*

 

[whatchaoskills]

Also, the Matrix references Alice In Wonderland, commonly believed to be the rantings of an author on hallucinogens...

 

The white rabbit???

 

 

This article was absolutely pointless. I want my 5 minutes back!!!!!!!!

[sazzrah]

When I first looked I read the title of the thread as "Muse urges its fans to take THE pill"

And I thought there was some kind of support for birth-control methods

 

I thought it said 'Muse urges its fans to take chill pill'. I figured they had finally responded to all the bleating going on about the set lists.

 

They release Resistance then NSC then preach about worthless music.

 

Oh dear Matt

 

Get back under your bridge.

[pinkfloyddsotm]

I tend to disagree with people who say the government controls the media. True, there are the occasional grand reveals when the CIA has been discovered to have hired journalists to write on the behalf of the government, but the main drive is, crazily enough, money. They know what the people like to watch and give it to them. Crazy stuff boosts the ratings, and they win dough.

 

Because people are biased though, and that bias finds its way into news stories (eg Faux News), peoples' minds can be easily influenced by what they are told to be true. At the stage where they realise it should be taken with a grain of salt, the next conclusion is somehow 'OMG GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY', which while plausible, isn't logical. It's just good business, with a sprinkle of human error.

 

That sounds like a lot of generalising when I edit through it.

 

 

 

 

but people got to realise we dont live in a fantasy world, the government dont give a shit about us , they're are scared of us, which is why they like to try & control us and know everything we are doing and thinking, hence more and more draconian laws to know your everymove and thinking habits, everything is tracked & profiled, because if you think about it, if the public was to start an uprising, all hell would break loose, we outnumber them and this sort of stuff goes on everyday in third world countries where they are fighting government tyranny, the root of all evil is money, so you follow the money trail, and it all leads to big banking corporations that are in bed with governments, elite businessman that have huge influential power of media to push fear mongering propaganda like global warming or swine flu. You got to remember money and power is the main reason behind all of this, but the topic of the NWO is SO diverse it leads into secret societies, occult teachings, esoteric religious teachings that elite bloodlines only privileged to know and heaps more.

Once people realise theirs something like 6 people that run all the media corporations in the world you see how this systemic power structure works, and it how it trickles down through the mainstream media, i just dont get how people can be ok with how controlled and structured our lives are, as long as people are continuing to squabble about irrelevent subjects like fashion, celebrity goss,sports, irrelevent political dribble , It's all a major distraction, Dont People want to know why each year elite businessman and top political and government figures from countries meet secretly to discuss things unknown to the public? sounds sketchy to me, its also an act of treason ,and mainstream media will never publicise it ...look if anyone doubts what ive said i can provide links to mainstream articles about anything ive said , basically what im trying to say is now that my eyes have been opened the last couple of years , everything is not what it seems anymore, i see through their disguises and rhetoric and see scams for what they are, its just healthy to question EVERYTHING, do your own research and make your OWN mind up, dont let mainstream media tell you how its gonna be .

 

i couldnt believe their are still people that deny the NWO , i thought it was mainstream news that the NWO agenda is real, and they are still working on implenting it . Please watch the jason bermas/alex jones film " invisible empire- a NWO defined" and it explains everything going way back in time explaining the history and ideaology of it. I feel like i havent even scratched the surface on this subject.

i should stop being so serious.

[vinya12]

I love you pinkfloyddsotm.

I love to hear that there are people out there who have there eyes open.

how do you get a WORD to be excepted so that when its used in the right content people dont get worried. simple, slip it in to everyday news. use it in speeches of less important things. soon The word N.W.O wont even make you turn your head .

 

If anyone think the UK goverment are running the UK , think again. there dont have a say cuz they have to kiss the ass of the USA .

[Niall]

 

The Government. Which one? There's hundreds of the things!

 

Global warming and swine flu are propaganda?

[Zaphod Chizzlebrox]

this is the kind of shite that gets pushed when Bellamy pretends to care about stuff like conspiracy theories. One day he'll go back to writing songs about being in space and we can have the Zeta nutters back, at least they weren't persistent.

[pinkfloyddsotm]

 

The Government. Which one? There's hundreds of the things!

 

Global warming and swine flu are propaganda?

 

global warming is just a front for a global carbon tax that will make al gore and governments even richer , their will be companies that are set up to handle the carbon credits who will make hundreds of millions and guess who's in charge of that , Al Gore.

 

Swine flu is no worse than the usual winter cold , its also just a simple case of fear mongering so everyone gets vaccinated with the H1N1 vaccine that has been known to cause narcolepsy and numerous other serious side effects, not to mention it contains mercury and thimerosal . West Australian newspaper even did an article warning parents AGAINST the vaccination after it led to nearly 50 kids under 5yrs old becomming seriously ill . once again i can provide links for all my claims , just cant be fucked digging them up.

 

propaganda is basically used to pursuade and influence the ideaology of the public, i know what i said didnt make sense entirely lol but i just sort of explained it easier for you NIALL

[pinkfloyddsotm]

I love you pinkfloyddsotm.

I love to hear that there are people out there who have there eyes open.

how do you get a WORD to be excepted so that when its used in the right content people dont get worried. simple, slip it in to everyday news. use it in speeches of less important things. soon The word N.W.O wont even make you turn your head .

 

If anyone think the UK goverment are running the UK , think again. there dont have a say cuz they have to kiss the ass of the USA .

 

yer ive read how bad the UK is ,with the rise of the police state , and cctv on every corner soon to have biometric iris scanning technology thats currently being implemented in mexico right now .

"Biometrics R&D firm Global Rainmakers Inc. (GRI) announced today that it is rolling out its iris scanning technology to create what it calls “the most secure city in the world.” In a partnership with Leon — one of the largest cities in Mexico, with a population of more than a million — GRI will fill the city with eye-scanners. That will help law enforcement revolutionize the way we live — not to mention marketers.

 

“In the future, whether it’s entering your home, opening your car, entering your workspace, getting a pharmacy prescription refilled, or having your medical records pulled up, everything will come off that unique key that is your iris,” says Jeff Carter, CDO of Global Rainmakers. Before coming to GRI, Carter headed a think tank partnership between Bank of America, Harvard, and MIT. “Every person, place, and thing on this planet will be connected [to the iris system] within the next 10 years,” he says.

 

Leon is the first step. To implement the system, the city is creating a database of irises. Criminals will automatically be enrolled, their irises scanned once convicted. Law-abiding citizens will have the option to opt-in.”

[Niall]

global warming is just a front for a global carbon tax that will make al gore and governments even richer , their will be companies that are set up to handle the carbon credits who will make hundreds of millions and guess who's in charge of that , Al Gore.

 

Swine flu is no worse than the usual winter cold , its also just a simple case of fear mongering so everyone gets vaccinated with the H1N1 vaccine that has been known to cause narcolepsy and numerous other serious side effects, not to mention it contains mercury and thimerosal . West Australian newspaper even did an article warning parents AGAINST the vaccination after it led to nearly 50 kids under 5yrs old becomming seriously ill . once again i can provide links for all my claims , just cant be fucked digging them up.

 

propaganda is basically used to pursuade and influence the ideaology of the public, i know what i said didnt make sense entirely lol but i just sort of explained it easier for you NIALL

 

Oh lordy. Whatever then. There isn't any point in me even trying to explain to you why global warming is indeed real because you're not going to listen to it are you? Who gives a damn about science when there are tenuous political motives to to sensationalise?

 

And as for Swine Flu vaccines. Right because vaccines can cause narcolepsy. Where was that even published? I don't mean some local Australian newspaper, what with their cutting edge medical research I know, I mean scientific literature. I'd be interested to see the mechanism behind that.

 

Btw, I'd be quick. I'm entertaining this kind of discussion at my lessure because it doesn't belong on this message board, but I like to be entertained and see what the latest fantasies are. We pretty much have a zero tolerance attitude to conspiracy theorists here.

[Zaphod Chizzlebrox]

We're not scare mongering

This is really happening

Happening

We're not scare mongering

This is really happening

Happening

Mobiles quirking

Mobiles chirping

Take the money and run

Take the money and run

Take the money

 

[pinkfloyddsotm]

Oh lordy. Whatever then. There isn't any point in me even trying to explain to you why global warming is indeed real because you're not going to listen to it are you? Who gives a damn about science when there are tenuous political motives to to sensationalise?

 

And as for Swine Flu vaccines. Right because vaccines can cause narcolepsy. Where was that even published? I don't mean some local Australian newspaper, what with their cutting edge medical research I know, I mean scientific literature. I'd be interested to see the mechanism behind that.

 

Btw, I'd be quick. I'm entertaining this kind of discussion at my lessure because it doesn't belong on this message board, but I like to be entertained and see what the latest fantasies are. We pretty much have a zero tolerance attitude to conspiracy theorists here.

 

LOL go on ban me then because once i get going on this s tu ff theirs no stopping me unless its from a mods intervention. which i couldnt really give a shit.

 

also yes ive read into both sides of the global warming hoax, i use to believe in it ! i was going to give you my thoughts but its a waste of my time when talking to a brickwall. Im more shocked theirs a "zero tolerance attitude to conspiracy theorists" . Goes against what muse are then i suppose.

[Mozza]

Why would you want to chemically induce narcolepsy on the population?

 

And if Global Warming (actually it's climate change because the world isn't uniformly warming up and climates are changing right now as we speak) is a front for a carbon tax then why are most Government's opposing economic action? Surely they'd have imposed their little taxes? and also, aren't oil companies making huge profits from destroying natural resources that took two billion years to accumulate, subsidied by Governments? Yet people never pick up on that conspiracy Maybe Bellamy will write a song about the BP oil spill on the next album.....

[Zaphod Chizzlebrox]

Climate change isn't just happening, it's inevitable. It's part of the way the Earth warms and cools over generations.

[Mozza]

Climate change isn't just happening, it's inevitable. It's part of the way the Earth warms and cools over generations.

 

Indeed. I do believe we are making it happen quicker than it should be which is where the problem lies.

[Niall]

LOL go on ban me then because once i get going on this s tu ff theirs no stopping me unless its from a mods intervention. which i couldnt really give a shit.

 

also yes ive read into both sides of the global warming hoax, i use to believe in it ! i was going to give you my thoughts but its a waste of my time when talking to a brickwall. Im more shocked theirs a "zero tolerance attitude to conspiracy theorists" . Goes against what muse are then i suppose.

 

I'm not a brick wall, I'm a scientist. I understand what is science and what isn't. And sadly, you are not. And your conspiracy stories are not.

 

We ban conspiracy theorists because the band don't wan to be link with things like the story that 9/11 was planned by the USA etc.

 

Indeed. I do believe we are making it happen quicker than it should be which is where the problem lies.

 

Indeed, this is well used plot from wikipedia:

 

 

The mediaeval warm period is a natural event, the massive spike in recent times that happens to start exactly after the industrial revolution, and follows a similar trend in atmospheric CO2 (which is of course also linked causally).

[CarrieB]

but people got to realise we dont live in a fantasy world, the government dont give a shit about us , they're are scared of us, which is why they like to try & control us and know everything we are doing and thinking, hence more and more draconian laws to know your everymove and thinking habits, everything is tracked & profiled, because if you think about it, if the public was to start an uprising, all hell would break loose, we outnumber them and this sort of stuff goes on everyday in third world countries where they are fighting government tyranny, the root of all evil is money, so you follow the money trail, and it all leads to big banking corporations that are in bed with governments, elite businessman that have huge influential power of media to push fear mongering propaganda like global warming or swine flu. You got to remember money and power is the main reason behind all of this, but the topic of the NWO is SO diverse it leads into secret societies, occult teachings, esoteric religious teachings that elite bloodlines only privileged to know and heaps more.

Once people realise theirs something like 6 people that run all the media corporations in the world you see how this systemic power structure works, and it how it trickles down through the mainstream media, i just dont get how people can be ok with how controlled and structured our lives are, as long as people are continuing to squabble about irrelevent subjects like fashion, celebrity goss,sports, irrelevent political dribble , It's all a major distraction, Dont People want to know why each year elite businessman and top political and government figures from countries meet secretly to discuss things unknown to the public? sounds sketchy to me, its also an act of treason ,and mainstream media will never publicise it ...look if anyone doubts what ive said i can provide links to mainstream articles about anything ive said , basically what im trying to say is now that my eyes have been opened the last couple of years , everything is not what it seems anymore, i see through their disguises and rhetoric and see scams for what they are, its just healthy to question EVERYTHING, do your own research and make your OWN mind up, dont let mainstream media tell you how its gonna be .

 

i couldnt believe their are still people that deny the NWO , i thought it was mainstream news that the NWO agenda is real, and they are still working on implenting it . Please watch the jason bermas/alex jones film " invisible empire- a NWO defined" and it explains everything going way back in time explaining the history and ideaology of it. I feel like i havent even scratched the surface on this subject.

i should stop being so serious.

 

I think you have the gist but you're off on the villain. Yes we are tracked but by commercial companies who want to sell us things, rather than the government, and I think David is wrong - there is control of the media by the government, it's called spin but it generally relates to what is going on in political terms not in popular culture. Popular culture such as the the TV programmes we watch is influenced by money and advertisers, not the government. The link between commercial enterprises and government, as I think I already said, is through lobby groups in that richer lobbiests have more power, and it's likely that where governments receive their funding has influence as well.

 

But the government is not made up of an obscure super-race or anything, MPs are just people like us who have their own mix of motivations for being in government, often actually the intention is to try and help people and improve society surprisingly enough! . One of the problems within government (I'm concentrating on the UK in this as I know more about it) is accountability and the fact they have become more autocratic, and the fact is that top positions generally go to those educated in top public (which actually means privately funded) schools. I would imagine that such people would be more likely to be in societies like the Freemasons as it's a sort upper middle class thing - yes there are no doubt social networks, but that doesn't mean we have to stereotype the people in those positions or that there's anything sinister behind it, other than the fact that money and privilege creates money and privilege.

 

There's also some basis in what you say about the government being worried about the power of the people, but I think it is a bit out of date. It has been a sort of Conservative ethos to look after the rich, the aristocracy, which obviously would have originally been the King and the landowners, and in the 18th century the control was such that people would have been beheaded, just for forming groups as the government were so afraid of what that could lead to, but government is much more mixed now, and their main fear is being voted out tbh and that is where you do get the spin and the media moguls in cahoots deluding the public and confusing things with soundbites, and concentrating on personal stories rather than political ones.

 

But the thing is that is what is popular. That is why the tabloids sell hugely with drivial about celebrities' personal lives because that is what most people buy and it's never been any different. If you look back at social studies through history it appears that the majority of people are mainly concerned with what happens in their day to day lives, but not particularly interested in the mechanics behind that, and as long as their lives are reasonably happy and none of this has a direct influence on their own and their family's well being, they don't care. I don't think there will ever be a revolution as long as people are comfortable and they don't see any major injustice going on. That's nothing new. It's not because people are being brainwashed by music videos or current popular culture because it was the same before all that.

 

And this idea of suddenly having an awakening to all this stuff is nothing but a gimmick. It sounds like something from a cult. A cult which is using aspects of reality which you could learn about in any media, sociological or political educational course, to convince people that they have some kind of supreme knowledge.

 

Politically it may be different in America, well I know their government is set up differently. and it seems that these NWO ideas are mainly American based. I will keep it in mind but I think it is a distortion and certainly the idea that the whole world are in cahoots is a distortion. I can't understand why the people who believe in this stuff should put any more credence on the stories coming from that direction as from the government direction tbh.

 

And btw anyone who doesn't like reading long paragraphs regarding this sort of stuff! No one is making you! ;

 

And just adding, I don't think there should be intolerence towards conspiracy theorists on this board. That is the board moderators taking it upon themselves to suppress what the band (well Matt at least) want known, just because they don't agree with it, and the board does actually belong to the band not to the moderators.

 

Also I think it's good to discuss this stuff.

[Dockertae]

Well I'm not backing the conspiracy theorists, but I think it's a bit of a leap to say human induced climate change is a cold hard fact. The data you get back when comparing carbon dioxide levels with temperature change varies wildly depending on what model is used, how the data is collected etc. It's probably more accurate to say you might lean one way or the other, but we can't say for sure what is correct.

[CarrieB]

I'm not a brick wall, I'm a scientist. I understand what is science and what isn't. And sadly, you are not. And your conspiracy stories are not.

 

We ban conspiracy theorists because the band don't wan to be link with things like the story that 9/11 was planned by the USA etc.

 

 

Oh that's interesting. Is that the band or their management though I wonder?!

 

Odd that they'd keep the links here to the conspiracy sites then.

 

Okay I take back what I said about suppressing their interests if you've had instructions, though personally I think open discussion is more useful. Matt can't take back what he's said, even if it's perfectly plausable to think that he might have changed his mind.