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7 hours ago, Citizen_Eraser said:

He's in a Tesla, so good chance he has autopilot on. And secondly, its not like hes looking through the viewfinder of the camera. Easy enough to hold an object in the air and drive with one hand. Hell I don't film while driving but I rarely drive with two hands on a straight highway. Who does that?

It’s not about the number of hands on the wheel, it’s the distraction. That’s why you can’t text or use a handheld phone in the car. 

I forgot about Tesla’s and autopilots though. 

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I highly doubt this album will be an anti-vaxxer conspiracy theory in concept. While Bellamy has certainly been curious in exploring conspiracies in the past, he's:

- Provided his doctor cousin with masks and other supplies to help her in the emergency room in treating COVID patients - https://www.spin.com/2020/03/muses-matt-bellamy-honors-doctor-cousin-battling-coronavirus/

- He's regularly posted pictures of himself wearing a mask post-COVID - https://www.instagram.com/mattbellamy/?hl=en

I sadly know many anti-vaxxers and none of them are such stalwarts in promoting mask-wearing as Bellamy seems to be.

When reading the lyrics that have been provided for "Won't Stand Down," my first thought is it's in response to the Donald Trump presidency and January 6th Capitol insurrection. Bellamy has noted that the "clown" in "Dig Down" was in reference to Trump, and even later tweeted "clown" should have been termed "nazi c*nt" (
https://twitter.com/mattbellamy/status/897583876285112321). He also suggested Trump should have been impeached and removed after the January 6th attack (https://twitter.com/mattbellamy/status/1346955785327300608). So, it seems much more likely to me that "Won't Stand Down" would be in reference to fighting the right-wing's attempt at undermining democracy through misinformation, repetition, and call to action.

If Bellamy and Muse go anti-vaxxer with the coming album, I'll be highly disappointed, but I'm 99.999999% certain that's not going to be the case.

 

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1 hour ago, EternallyPissed said:

I highly doubt this album will be an anti-vaxxer conspiracy theory in concept. While Bellamy has certainly been curious in exploring conspiracies in the past, he's:

- Provided his doctor cousin with masks and other supplies to help her in the emergency room in treating COVID patients - https://www.spin.com/2020/03/muses-matt-bellamy-honors-doctor-cousin-battling-coronavirus/

- He's regularly posted pictures of himself wearing a mask post-COVID - https://www.instagram.com/mattbellamy/?hl=en

I sadly know many anti-vaxxers and none of them are such stalwarts in promoting mask-wearing as Bellamy seems to be.

When reading the lyrics that have been provided for "Won't Stand Down," my first thought is it's in response to the Donald Trump presidency and January 6th Capitol insurrection. Bellamy has noted that the "clown" in "Dig Down" was in reference to Trump, and even later tweeted "clown" should have been termed "nazi c*nt" (
https://twitter.com/mattbellamy/status/897583876285112321). He also suggested Trump should have been impeached and removed after the January 6th attack (https://twitter.com/mattbellamy/status/1346955785327300608). So, it seems much more likely to me that "Won't Stand Down" would be in reference to fighting the right-wing's attempt at undermining democracy through misinformation, repetition, and call to action.

If Bellamy and Muse go anti-vaxxer with the coming album, I'll be highly disappointed, but I'm 99.999999% certain that's not going to be the case.

 

Very good analysis. Still, I’m quite sure we will see him tackle the anti-vaxx issue in one of the new songs.

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15 hours ago, EternallyPissed said:

I highly doubt this album will be an anti-vaxxer conspiracy theory in concept. While Bellamy has certainly been curious in exploring conspiracies in the past, he's:

- Provided his doctor cousin with masks and other supplies to help her in the emergency room in treating COVID patients - https://www.spin.com/2020/03/muses-matt-bellamy-honors-doctor-cousin-battling-coronavirus/

- He's regularly posted pictures of himself wearing a mask post-COVID - https://www.instagram.com/mattbellamy/?hl=en

I sadly know many anti-vaxxers and none of them are such stalwarts in promoting mask-wearing as Bellamy seems to be.

When reading the lyrics that have been provided for "Won't Stand Down," my first thought is it's in response to the Donald Trump presidency and January 6th Capitol insurrection. Bellamy has noted that the "clown" in "Dig Down" was in reference to Trump, and even later tweeted "clown" should have been termed "nazi c*nt" (
https://twitter.com/mattbellamy/status/897583876285112321). He also suggested Trump should have been impeached and removed after the January 6th attack (https://twitter.com/mattbellamy/status/1346955785327300608). So, it seems much more likely to me that "Won't Stand Down" would be in reference to fighting the right-wing's attempt at undermining democracy through misinformation, repetition, and call to action.

If Bellamy and Muse go anti-vaxxer with the coming album, I'll be highly disappointed, but I'm 99.999999% certain that's not going to be the case.

 

Didn’t Matt mention that he started writing and getting inspired during the Black Lives Matter protests?  Usually the lyrics are so generic in their “they” vs “us” narrative that everyone who feels oppressed can attach their outrage to it. And right now the, in the US, the Trump-right and the antivaxxers are probably the loudest voices (wrongfully) claiming to be oppressed. 

But yeah, I was probably wrong suggesting earlier that Matt himself might inject some plandemic nuttery into the new album, I haven’t caught him saying anything that would suggest he swings that way. He probably just took a global sense of outrage as inspiration. 

(I’m still a bit uneasy about the Hollywood lifestyle and anarchist lyrics combo, it just feels a bit icky to me.)

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17 hours ago, MartianSpaghettiRider said:

Very good analysis. Still, I’m quite sure we will see him tackle the anti-vaxx issue in one of the new songs.

Fair point. If he does tackle the "anti-vaxx" issue, though, I don't think it will be from the perspective that he himself is anti-vaxx.

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3 hours ago, That Little Animal said:

Didn’t Matt mention that he started writing and getting inspired during the Black Lives Matter protests?  Usually the lyrics are so generic in their “they” vs “us” narrative that everyone who feels oppressed can attach their outrage to it. And right now the, in the US, the Trump-right and the antivaxxers are probably the loudest voices (wrongfully) claiming to be oppressed. 

But yeah, I was probably wrong suggesting earlier that Matt himself might inject some plandemic nuttery into the new album, I haven’t caught him saying anything that would suggest he swings that way. He probably just took a global sense of outrage as inspiration. 

(I’m still a bit uneasy about the Hollywood lifestyle and anarchist lyrics combo, it just feels a bit icky to me.)

Yeah, I've read that too (https://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00161000.html).

Good point regarding the sometimes vague lyrics, to which just about anyone can relate. I remember reading an article about how Glenn Beck attempted to use the song "Uprising" for his show/cause and the band was none-too-pleased about it, with Bellamy referring to him as a "crazy right-winger." (https://www.theguardian.com/music/2012/sep/28/muse-rightwing-conspiracy-theorists-music)

We'll see what happens, but I have to admit I'm pretty hyped about this new snippet. Maybe it's just been the building frustration with regard to the pandemic/anti-vaxxers, but I've been on a bit of a metal kick lately (rare for me), so this recent clip gave me immediate goosebumps and I can't wait to hear the rest!

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Generally hope Matt doesn't have a BLM lyric. When Muse shared a post supporting BLM, Matt followed it up with a post about being in LA rescuing his guitars in the case they got looted. Don't think there was any malice there but perhaps no thoughts given about the optics of somewhat associating the two very different things.  Matt can be a bit of sledgehammer when it comes to lyrics so perhaps best he doesn't tackle something that requires a delicate touch.

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5 hours ago, EternallyPissed said:

Yeah, I've read that too (https://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00161000.html).

Good point regarding the sometimes vague lyrics, to which just about anyone can relate. I remember reading an article about how Glenn Beck attempted to use the song "Uprising" for his show/cause and the band was none-too-pleased about it, with Bellamy referring to him as a "crazy right-winger." (https://www.theguardian.com/music/2012/sep/28/muse-rightwing-conspiracy-theorists-music)

We'll see what happens, but I have to admit I'm pretty hyped about this new snippet. Maybe it's just been the building frustration with regard to the pandemic/anti-vaxxers, but I've been on a bit of a metal kick lately (rare for me), so this recent clip gave me immediate goosebumps and I can't wait to hear the rest!

He may have called Glenn Beck a crazy right winger, but what did he call Alex Jones when he was a guest on Infowars in 2006? 

 

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11 hours ago, Silentgod86 said:

Generally hope Matt doesn't have a BLM lyric. When Muse shared a post supporting BLM, Matt followed it up with a post about being in LA rescuing his guitars in the case they got looted. Don't think there was any malice there but perhaps no thoughts given about the optics of somewhat associating the two very different things.  Matt can be a bit of sledgehammer when it comes to lyrics so perhaps best he doesn't tackle something that requires a delicate touch.

Yeah, I hear ya. Given his history of lyric-writing, my guess is he'll be more general about the protests and fighting oppression, but we'll have to wait and see, I suppose.

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7 hours ago, That Little Animal said:

He may have called Glenn Beck a crazy right winger, but what did he call Alex Jones when he was a guest on Infowars in 2006? 

 

That wasn't his finest moment, for sure, but at the time, Alex Jones was one of the lead spokespeople for the "9/11 Truther" movement, to which Bellamy had displayed a curiosity. He has since altered his stance on the matter, however. - https://www.nme.com/news/music/muse-162-1259639

If asked today, my guess is Bellamy would refer to Jones in a similar manner as he has with Beck.

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6 hours ago, EternallyPissed said:

If asked today, my guess is Bellamy would refer to Jones in a similar manner as he has with Beck.

No doubt. But if he keeps making generic outrage lyrics, it will continue to appeal to any side of the spectrum that is/feels duped by the Man. Or, if he gets too specific, it will be a bit cringey. Neither the fringe right, nor BLM are in need of a white ‘Hollywood elite’ spokesperson preaching from his Tesla.

I’m being impossible, and I don’t know what I would want from them. Realistically they’re not going to reject capitalism and practice what they preach. I guess more cryptic and absurd lyrics would do the trick. Just sing about aliens again. 

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On 12/26/2021 at 7:07 PM, Jobby said:

Would it be irrational to say “pls don’t let LP9 have Covid/vaccine conspiracy lyrics”?

On a more wistful note, there are so many old voices and faces I wish I could be seeing reactions from now that have vanished into the mist 💔

That song sounds amazing. Heavy Dead Star vibes but with an electronic (ST-ish?) vibe too.

In regards to any very topical and political lyrics, I like it when it's vague and generalised, but any ultra-specific stances come off as ham-fisted and cringeworthy, and that includes either side of the Covid debate. Usually Muse are pretty good at dealing with heavy subjects . I also do enjoy Matt's outlook and commentary regardless of if I agree with it or not, he seems quite the free-thinker and an interesting mind.

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It's been a while. Just when I thought I was out...they pull me back in.

So this is sounding spectacular so far. Comfortably the heaviest thing they've done going from the clip, I'm so glad they've started to experiment with some different tunings other than drop D and standard, I feel they've exhausted all the riffs in those tunings. Some C tuning stuff would be great too.

Matt sounds incredible and I'm perfectly fine with Chris doing any live vocals if it means Matt goes all out in the studio.

I burned out hard on the ST era because of (like Drones) it was such a long and drawn out build-up and by the time of the album release I'd heard most of the songs. I hope they keep this one close to the chest and, after one or two singles, drop the whole thing. 

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Algorithm squad posted a link on Twitter. When you click it asks for a password.  wontstanddown.muse.mu

I tried entering my site credentials but nothing happened. I searched the site and didn't find anything. Won't Stand Down may be here sooner than I thought.

 

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