Super Sammy! Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 I know this is unrelated, but it really puzzled me how they played TSP at basically every single gig in the Abso Tour, yet they haven't even rehearsed the song (that we know of) in the last 4/5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunge Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 Same goes for songs like Sober, Escape and Overdue from Showbiz, Hyper Music, Screenager and Darkshines from Origin Of Symmetry, Endlessly and Thoughts Of A Dying Atheist from Absolution and Invincible, Exo-Politics and City Of Delusion from Black Holes & Revelations. They're just 'album' songs - non-singles that simply represent where Muse were at that stage of their career, their life-span is largely tied to when they were produced. I'm not saying this is in any way a good thing, but it's just the mindset Muse employ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spark_ Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 Same goes for songs like Sober, Escape and Overdue from Showbiz, Hyper Music, Screenager and Darkshines from Origin Of Symmetry, Endlessly and Thoughts Of A Dying Atheist from Absolution and Invincible, Exo-Politics and City Of Delusion from Black Holes & Revelations. They're just 'album' songs - non-singles that simply represent where Muse were at that stage of their career, their life-span is largely tied to when they were produced. I'm not saying this is in any way a good thing, but it's just the mindset Muse employ. This is true and probably the list could be made a bit longer, but I would point out that I doubt Muse are unique in doing this (although I don't care for most mainstream music at all so I really don't know). I wonder what tracks fall into that category on TR... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Sammy! Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 Same goes for songs like Sober, Escape and Overdue from Showbiz, Hyper Music, Screenager and Darkshines from Origin Of Symmetry, Endlessly and Thoughts Of A Dying Atheist from Absolution and Invincible, Exo-Politics and City Of Delusion from Black Holes & Revelations. They're just 'album' songs - non-singles that simply represent where Muse were at that stage of their career, their life-span is largely tied to when they were produced. I'm not saying this is in any way a good thing, but it's just the mindset Muse employ. Mmm, I know what you mean. At least in the Abso era, they gave a good go at most of the OoS songs (bar Megalomania, Screenager and Darkshines, and Screenager and Megalomania weren't played for obvious reasons)... They haven't even bothered looking at the previous albums in the past two eras Although, in both the BH&R and TR eras, they've rehearsed Hyper Music so many times it's not funny, yet the most we've gotten is a wee riff after SS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mozza Posted June 15, 2010 Author Share Posted June 15, 2010 This is true and probably the list could be made a bit longer, but I would point out that I doubt Muse are unique in doing this (although I don't care for most mainstream music at all so I really don't know). I wonder what tracks fall into that category on TR... Quite a few bands play at least one or two 'album tracks' whereas Muse purely play singles these days it seems. Mmm, I know what you mean. At least in the Abso era, they gave a good go at most of the OoS songs (bar Megalomania, Screenager and Darkshines, and Screenager and Megalomania weren't played for obvious reasons)... They haven't even bothered looking at the previous albums in the past two eras Although, in both the BH&R and TR eras, they've rehearsed Hyper Music so many times it's not funny, yet the most we've gotten is a wee riff after SS On the Abso Tour all of Origin except the 3 you mentioned were played at least once (Hyper Music got one play at warm up show only). Megalomania was eventually played in 2008. Dead Star also got reasonable amounts of play time in 2004. On the BHaR tour though TSP, FAWY, TOADA and Endlessly never got played at all. Sing For Absolution, Blackout and Ruled By Secrecy took a while to return to the sets but did eventually in the second half of the tour. On the TR tour, only 5 songs from BHaR have been played, and even then Take a Bow has only just returned. Also had 5 songs from Origin that were the regulars in 2003 (well with Feeling Good instead of Space Dementia and Bliss and CE rarely appearing until recently), and Abso has also got 5 songs although 2 of them have been played 2 or 3 times only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dockertae Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 On the TR tour, only 5 songs from BHaR have been played, and even then Take a Bow has only just returned. Also had 5 songs from Origin that were the regulars in 2003 (well with Feeling Good instead of Space Dementia and Bliss and CE rarely appearing until recently), and Abso has also got 5 songs although 2 of them have been played 2 or 3 times only. 6 songs from BHAR have been played now - Soldier's Poem at Stade de France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack259 Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 Muse should really go all out and just pick songs that fit with the TR theme. Regardless of singles or not. Granted we'd still get songs that are disliked by a majority (Exo-Politics etc). But it'd be a lot braver and musically coherant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bl44t44p Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 I'm not sure this has been discussed before or anywhere else, but are Muse having just one stadium tour stage (the new one)? I know they have a separate festival stage and ofcourse the pyramid stage, but just one for the stadium tour? Tomorrow they are playing Madrid and this Saturday Nijmegen (Netherlands), so are they able to construct the stage in just two days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreisky Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 I think most big bands have at least two stages. I know that the Rolling Stones tour with 3 equal stages. I'm sure on the next tour NSC, USoE, GL, US, MKU, IBTY and Exo: 1 won't be played anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bl44t44p Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 I think most big bands have at least two stages. I know that the Rolling Stones tour with 3 equal stages. And so are Coldplay and U2 for example. But that's exactly the reason I'm asking, because I haven't heard anything of Muse having a duplicate stage for this tour... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil2211 Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 I've just been watching some of the footage from Rock im ring on youtube and I hate to say but the festival stage owns the stadium stage. Feels more stripped back and more about the music. I'm guessing it also means that due to the fact its less complex and less rehersed that they will have more freedom in varying the setlist, like we seen already in the festival shows...... Oh and the visuals for MK ultra = Win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizzie_loves_Muse Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 I've just been watching some of the footage from Rock im ring on youtube and I hate to say but the festival stage owns the stadium stage. Feels more stripped back and more about the music. I'm guessing it also means that due to the fact its less complex and less rehersed that they will have more freedom in varying the setlist, like we seen already in the festival shows...... Oh and the visuals for MK ultra = Win this. MK Ultra visuals own all. I like the "Hypnosis and torture" bit. :') Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBornBenny Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 I've just been watching some of the footage from Rock im ring on youtube and I hate to say but the festival stage owns the stadium stage. Feels more stripped back and more about the music. I'm guessing it also means that due to the fact its less complex and less rehersed that they will have more freedom in varying the setlist, like we seen already in the festival shows...... Oh and the visuals for MK ultra = Win Easily my favourite performance I've seen this tour. It just owns everything else we've seen of them. Wish I was there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunge Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 I love the festival setup as well - simplicity kicks ass. The new stadium stage looks pants, imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattarena88 Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 I've just been watching some of the footage from Rock im ring on youtube and I hate to say but the festival stage owns the stadium stage. Feels more stripped back and more about the music. I'm guessing it also means that due to the fact its less complex and less rehersed that they will have more freedom in varying the setlist, like we seen already in the festival shows...... Oh and the visuals for MK ultra = Win hexagons FTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph. Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 See, I don't see why they can't just bring back a song, and not even use visuals. I think that was MKU when it was first played. It was just a red light with the band on the tower screens. That's not difficult, I could do that in my sleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mozza Posted June 15, 2010 Author Share Posted June 15, 2010 See, I don't see why they can't just bring back a song, and not even use visuals. I think that was MKU when it was first played. It was just a red light with the band on the towers. That's not difficult, I could do that in my sleep. Cave didn't have visuals either. Cave fitted the towers so much better than Feeling Good too, the towers descended perfectly during the outro. Why they couldn't play both at the same gig baffles me a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil2211 Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 To be honest I think blaming the stage set up for poor song rotation is a terrible excuse. People don't need pre-recorded footage for every bloody song. Last time they played wembo, I seem to remember most of the screens just showing the band in wierd colours and all distorted. (For some reason I remember this far too well in Microcuts ) No one cares about the footage. The only bit that they actually need is the chorus in Knights to flash up on the screens. With a frontman as energetic as matt, anyone watching the bloody animations deserves shooting anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil. Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 It is a genuine statement to say that the stage restricts their song choices. The stage, is infact, a living creature that just so happens to only know all of the singles and a few odd album songs. If muse dared to play a song such as, say, Hyper Music, which the stage doesn't know, then it would be so lost and confused that it's feelings of happiness and excitement from just hearing Feeling Good followed by Neutron Star Collision, will be replaced with feelings of pure rage and anger. It will then commence in destroying everything and everyone within a 10 mile radius before exploding with an enormous radioactive blast, polluting the earth's atmosphere with deadly radiation. so, you see... muse are doing us a favour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBornBenny Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 I love the festival setup as well - simplicity kicks ass. The new stadium stage looks pants, imho. I think visually its very impressive. But maybe more suited for the theatre or the X Factor. Forgive me if I'm wrong, But have the band actually got anywhere to go on it? It seems like it is literally just one rather small stage in the middle of a massive projector screen . Whereas the old Wembley set and the Rock Am Ring set both had a huge stage in which Matt was able to walk all across. The catwalk for example added a lot to the Wembley gig from what I can see. Can't comment more on it as I wasn't there Seems like they're a bit restricted by it and for a rock band, it doesn't seem quite right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WutDaFucksy Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 I would much prefer to see Muse on the festival setup than the stadium one...Muse don't need the massive lights, shown by the RAH gig and more recently the Casino de Paris gig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shwissky Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 I think most big bands have at least two stages. I know that the Rolling Stones tour with 3 equal stages. I'm sure on the next tour NSC, USoE, GL, US, MKU, IBTY and Exo: 1 won't be played anymore. I think USoE and US have a chance of being on the setlists if only rotated, but yea the rest will be gone/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agenthal Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 I would much prefer to see Muse on the festival setup than the stadium one...Muse don't need the massive lights, shown by the RAH gig and more recently the Casino de Paris gig. I wonder if they'll bring the hexagons to the U.S. fests? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veronica_cy Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 I think visually its very impressive. But maybe more suited for the theatre or the X Factor. Forgive me if I'm wrong, But have the band actually got anywhere to go on it? It seems like it is literally just one rather small stage in the middle of a massive projector screen . Whereas the old Wembley set and the Rock Am Ring set both had a huge stage in which Matt was able to walk all across. The catwalk for example added a lot to the Wembley gig from what I can see. Can't comment more on it as I wasn't there Seems like they're a bit restricted by it and for a rock band, it doesn't seem quite right. It surely is spectacular, but it's not what people are paying for. People are there for the band and their music should be in the forefront, not pyramids and UFOs. With all the Best Live Band awards they've got, the media constantly praising them and people asking 'How will you top Wembley' they think 'we can't go back to how we used to be, with just a couple of screens and a few lights. We need to make it even bigger, even more over the top'. They just can't seem to understand that the simpler the production is the better. Of course I have no right to judge since I haven't been to any of the stadium gigs, I'm sure that it's a fantastic show, and all the people who are working on this are doing a great job, it's just that sometimes it seems so fake and restricts the band from being more spontaneous, and it's a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pip Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 It surely is spectacular, but it's not what people are paying for. Actually, for me it was very much a contributory factor in my enjoyment of the whole experience and I've seen them at their most basic at the Royal Albert Hall. I enjoyed both very much and don't agree that an elaborate stage set makes for a dull musical performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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