Max Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 I know what you're saying. The board as a whole has become a lot more negative recently and it is making this place less than enjoyable. Maybe add some of the people who really irritate you with their moans to your ignore list if it's really pissing you off? You can't change people's moods though. It would be a fucked up planet if there was such a function available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple C Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 I have no problem with criticism. In fact, I'd hate to see a forum on music (or any other type of art, sport or politic) where everyone loved everything and questioned nothing. My personality is such that if I don't care for something, I tend to ignore it rather than dwell on it and beat the life out of it. However, I do like to think critically and hear others' criticisms. I don't come here and expect a rah-rah love fest in every thread. Here's where I get discouraged: When people get so cranked up and so angry over a song, an album, a setlist that they become vitriolic toward other fans. I don't like to have it insinuated that I'm a worthless fool for liking Neutron Star Collision or Starlight. I don't like being told my favorite band is crap in a manner that almost forbids me to disagree. Muse has meant a lot to me over the past five, six years ... their old material and their new. I expect folks to feel differently about different songs. I don't expect, and would rather do without, malice. On an off-topicy note, it's funny, I notice the same type of behavior on the Mercedes-Benz message board I frequent. We're all there, supposedly, because we love the carmake. But I've been told by the occasional member that my car, a 1987 model, is a piece of shit, that the 1985-and-earlier cars are the only ones that are worthy of restoration and enthusiasm. It never ends, the bitching: the W124 body style is crap, the OM603.971 engine is crap, the new Mercedes are crap, the M-Class is crap. There's more bitching than lauding. Same on the Muse forum. Same in life. People like bitching ... especially if they're passionate, like most of us are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mozza Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 I have no problem with criticism. In fact, I'd hate to see a forum on music (or any other type of art, sport or politic) where everyone loved everything and questioned nothing. My personality is such that if I don't care for something, I tend to ignore it rather than dwell on it and beat the life out of it. However, I do like to think critically and hear others' criticisms. I don't come here and expect a rah-rah love fest in every thread. Here's where I get discouraged: When people get so cranked up and so angry over a song, an album, a setlist that they become vitriolic toward other fans. I don't like to have it insinuated that I'm a worthless fool for liking Neutron Star Collision or Starlight. I don't like being told my favorite band is crap in a manner that almost forbids me to disagree. Muse has meant a lot to me over the past five, six years ... their old material and their new. I expect folks to feel differently about different songs. I don't expect, and would rather do without, malice. On an off-topicy note, it's funny, I notice the same type of behavior on the Mercedes-Benz message board I frequent. We're all there, supposedly, because we love the carmake. But I've been told by the occasional member that my car, a 1987 model, is a piece of shit, that the 1985-and-earlier cars are the only ones that are worthy of restoration and enthusiasm. It never ends, the bitching: the W124 body style is crap, the OM603.971 engine is crap, the new Mercedes are crap, the M-Class is crap. There's more bitching than lauding. Same on the Muse forum. Same in life. People like bitching ... especially if they're passionate, like most of us are. But that isn't generally happening, people are assuming that one person not liking a song = anyone who likes it is a fool. This is why the negativity keeps on going, because a negative comment that is reasonable is assumed to be one that is unreasonable, so the person who made the intial comment defends what they said, so more people attack them, and the cycle goes on and on and on and on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo57 Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 goes on and on and on and on But soon we will see, THERE CAN BE OOOOOONLY ONE! Sorry. Just could not resist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mizutsu Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 I love freedom of speech Thick irony. Constant hate (not criticism) in the form of repetitive bashing and impoliteness on the boards against the new style and album of Muse annoys me as well. Sometimes, people don't take me seriously because I love The Resistance and most of their new stuff. Though I'm young, I have a taste in music that's relatively well formed, I would say. I feel like the younger group of people here (13-17) take a lot of the heat for being "new fans" and also people who have recent joining dates. Jeez. P.S. Nice favourite song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipperypoo Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 Hmmm. It's a bit bizzarre. I love Muse. Yaaaay. But I must admit, I still think OOS is their best album by a long way. That's allowed. I think they are going downhill. That's allowed, too. It is annoying, but I reckon that people in my frame of mind do just have to accept they are not the band they once were, and most probably won't be as good as they once were ever again. I've had to make my peace with this about Kings of Leon, and it will be much harder, but I will have to make my peace with that about Muse, too. But then again, it's all subjective. A lot of people will prefer their more recent stuff, and will disagree with me. That's allowed, too. If people are being negative then take no notice, you like it and that's all there is to it. Go and listen to BHAR or TR to your heart's content, nobody is stopping you. I used to come on this board for the Muse talk. I find myself in Banter most of the time now. Oh well, shit happens. If Muse come back around to my taste, and their next album is IMO better than OOS, and more of that sound, then happy days. If not, I will just listen to Showbiz, OOS and Abso if the mood takes me, and think....that was some good shit, right there. Plus, if people are being too bitchy, then you can try and discuss it....? Rather than just spaff about how good a song is, because frankly, that is annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uccellino Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 MuseRLegend I can see why all the negativity is getting on your nerves. It does hit you that's there's a lot of it when you join the board and it's a bit surprising as it's meant to be a board for people who are fans of Muse! However, if there wasn't any moaning or arguing the board would be quite dull and there probably wouldn't be as many people on it! There's always going to be people who genuinely aren't happy about some things, but maybe there's so much moaning because people get caught up in it and enjoy the banter (not talking about the banter thread btw). People should have respect for your views though, no matter what your age and if you say you like less popular songs or even everything Muse do you shouldn't get bashed either. Anyway, I wouldn't take it to heart if I were you. There are positive posts out there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liron Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 If your best friend looked fat in a dress would you tell her or lie? No one should follow anyone blindly, you should feel free to express your thoughts and opinions. We all came here first cos we like Muse's music but I don't see anything wrong about criticising it if you don't like a song or two or an album or a setlist or whatever. As long as it doesn't reach personal levels, who cares? And honestly I love the fact they keep playing Feeling Good and basically say eff you to everyone who moaned about it here (me included) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mozza Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 I don't think they play Feeling Good to piss off the moaners, but yeah criticism of the band's output is fine and healthy but this whole place would be better without the personal attacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovemybones Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 I feel like the younger group of people here (13-17) take a lot of the heat for being "new fans" and also people who have recent joining dates. Jeez. AMEN to that. I lurked for ages and ages before I joined, was to terrifed to try and speak to people. Yet it is automatically assumed in most cases that join date defines loyalty to the band aha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeSides Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 If your best friend looked fat in a dress would you tell her or lie? No one should follow anyone blindly, you should feel free to express your thoughts and opinions. We all came here first cos we like Muse's music but I don't see anything wrong about criticising it if you don't like a song or two or an album or a setlist or whatever. As long as it doesn't reach personal levels, who cares? And honestly I love the fact they keep playing Feeling Good and basically say eff you to everyone who moaned about it here (me included) <3 i have a friend who didn't take kindly to my honesty about her skirt once. she's never let me forget about it. and yet we're still friends i know...cool story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liron Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 I don't think they play Feeling Good to piss off the moaners, but yeah criticism of the band's output is fine and healthy but this whole place would be better without the personal attacks I know.. it still amuses me though how upset everyone get when they notice the megaphone. Every time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjk62289 Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 your join date certainly has nothing to do with your loyalty, ive been a fan for YEARS, i just have never joined until a couple months ago ( im almost 21) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liron Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 <3 i have a friend who didn't take kindly to my honesty about her skirt once. she's never let me forget about it. and yet we're still friends i know...cool story See, next time you see Muse just go 'Hi, NSC's shit.' I'm sure you'll still be friends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mozza Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 join dates mean fuck all, i wish they did though because then i'd be important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipperypoo Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 All the join date does is prove that we were all once young annoying newbies. I was 14 when I joined Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 At the end of the day this is a discussion forum and it implies that there will be opinions from the different opposite of the spectrum (positive and negative). We are all individuals and all have different tastes and perceptions of what is good or bad and certainly have a right to express it. See, next time you see Muse just go 'Hi, NSC's shit.' I'm sure you'll still be friends Can I call shotgun to be the one who gets to talk to them about Guiding Light? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 This is one of the most tame message boards I've ever been on, tbh. I don't know what people are complaining about... It's usually so much worse, IMO. There's always going to be differing opinions and negativity with bands, especially when the band has been around for a long time and their sound evolves, get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
control Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 I felt the same when I first joined these boards. But then I became like them. Good luck!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liron Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 Can I call shotgun to be the one who gets to talk to them about Guiding Light? O please do. I never have the guts for it LOL honestly, I bet they'd appreciate the honesty.. they probably have enough ass lickers around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seregon Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 This is one of the most tame message boards I've ever been on, tbh. I don't know what people are complaining about... It's usually so much worse, IMO. There's always going to be differing opinions and negativity with bands, especially when the band has been around for a long time and their sound evolves, get over it. I agree. I really don't get it when people disagree over something in this section and about 5 people will go "No beef guys" that isn't beef! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy_ Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 Every single person signed up to these forums and viewing these forums at the very least likes Muse. As a band increases in popularity and gains more fans they naturally become more accessible to the masses. We're talking radio play, music videos, festival appearances, more shows, bigger venues etc. This popularity has a huge effect on a lot of bands, suddenly they question what they're producing because it has to appeal to so many people. You then get albums like The Resistance, a solid album which is not one thing nor another. It sways in one direction with Undisclosed Desires then takes us back with MK Ultra. It pisses us off with Guiding Light then draws us back with The Symphony. It's a great album but it represents what Muse are at the minute - a HUGE band that are very much in the limelight. Their next album with be scrutinized harshly by everyone, they essentially can't win. You have an 'old school' base of fans that adore them because of their older work and a newer fanbase that like them due to their more recent releases. Bands need criticism, if they didn't it would suck because everyone would like the same thing. Just like in life - criticism is essential to the paths you take and the decisions you make. Forums are never ever ever a decent representative of music fans, did I say never? Simply because most people do not have the time to contribute to one specific band on an internet discussion board. These boards are mostly made up of pretty dedicated fans, or people who have been influenced by some of Muse's music. Therefore it's always a pretty bias view, the casual Muse fan will love them for Plug in Baby and Supermassive Black Hole... That IS the unfortunate truth. But they buy the tickets too, we all have the same value. /lecture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeSides Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 See, next time you see Muse just go 'Hi, NSC's shit.' I'm sure you'll still be friends how about... "hey guys...nsc reminds me of a stained old horizontally striped shirt. wearing it makes you look fat and lazy...maybe shelve that eh?" no...maybe not... "hello! thanks for nsc. to return the favor i've brought you a dozen cheez whiz cans!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liron Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 "hello! thanks for nsc. to return the favor i've brought you a dozen cheez whiz cans!" "even doris couldn't handle the cheeseness" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeSides Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 "even doris couldn't handle the cheeseness" sooo tasty!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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