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There's now a really big inequality with all the big fans holding out for small venue shows and little care for the big ones. And the band's comments on the upcoming tour hint that they're only going to carry on with that divide.

 

My controversial opinion is that I’m very ok with this

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I'm not. They've done this in Japan, UK, US, France, and Germany. Even if you consider bordering countries that's still a lot of the world that will basically get fuck all. The amount of fans that actually get to ponder that option at all is small.

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Ok so here’s my thought process:

 

Specifically, what I’m super ok with is the set divide between these big and small shows. The worldwide spread of them could defo be better, no doubt, obvs I’m just v lucky with where I live. Tbh I genuinely often think about how shite I’d feel if I just happened to be born further away and couldn’t go to any of these types of shows.

 

BUT, sticking strictly to the sets, I think it’s best to keep the majority of rarities to these small shows. As someone who’s been lucky enough to experience some rarities at big shows and little shows, the vibe is miles better in the latter. They’re hard to get into and obvs a v limited % of fans make it, but it’s worth it to preserve that imo. It’s not like it’s totally killed off the odd rarity or two at bigger shows yet either, I know it’s only in Europe and ideally that wouldn’t be the case but Assassin, CE, Bliss, AP, Sunburn and Butterflies were still popping up during the arena tour, maybe just as often as (if not more than) they were on past tours. I’d also more than wager that, even with how things were going by 2013/14, we never would’ve seen the really deep stuff like Futurism, Easily, Glorious or Eternally Missed if these types of gigs weren’t on the cards and, whether you witness them in person or not, you’ve gotta appreciate their happening.

 

The thing we all used to moan about so much was the lack of consistency across Muse gigs as well. Was the next one gonna suddenly have RBS over Feeling Good etc.? Ya never knew. Now we have this pretty clear divide and mission statement of: if you’re looking for rarities, small shows or what you want, any at bigger shows are just a nice surprise. I genuinely find that kinda handy tbh, it’s a better safety net for disappointment (set-wise at least) than we ever used to have imo.

 

So basically, tl;dr: I honestly don’t think the approach to arena gigs is much different now to years past (rarities in moderate rotation in most places, US unfortunately left out) and now we actually have these, granted, super limited but rarity packed shows usually full of hardcores popping up alongside and bringing back songs that probs never would’ve seen the light of day again otherwise.

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If they're not going to make even a reasonable attempt at making those small shows accessible to a decent amount of fans, they absolutely should put a couple "hardcore" pleasers into the arena/stadium sets. There's just no reason not to. A crowd of radio listeners isn't going to storm out in anger because they spent 4 minutes not knowing a song. How many people do we reckon actually knew The Globalist, btw? Seeing as it wasn't a single, and wasn't even available on stuff like Spotify without a premium account. They weren't shy about playing that 10+ minute monstrosity.

Anyways, plenty of other bands play a song or two for their old school crowd, and it seems to work out pretty well for them.

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It's not all the deepest cuts but there were nice songs being played somewhat regularly. Sunburn was showing up often in last tour's arena shows, even the US. The sets were also longer, more structured around the band instead of the stage.

 

I'm not opposed to small shows. They are a great chance to play the rarest songs and the crowd will definitely appreciate them more. What I'm opposed to is how it's opened up the mindset of putting all the fan-serving show elements into these special shows (small venues, special festivals, etc.) and leaving the rest entirely. I cited SBE 2013 and I could add something like Casino de Paris 2010 and E-Werk 2012 as examples when special fan shows happened without said mindset. Hell, the shows leading up to Reading/Leeds 2011 were fantastic. There was clearly a superior show where they played Origin, but as standard shows the others weren't a disappointment except in length.

 

Ya never knew. Now we have this pretty clear divide and mission statement of: if you’re looking for rarities, small shows or what you want, any at bigger shows are just a nice surprise.

 

And see, this still ignores the entire conclusion I drew from the original post. This is the situation for you. You live in an area where you have access to both these kinds of shows. This isn't entirely personal envy either. I'm in the US, which was the only country out of the UK to get Psycho Tour dates, and they have shown at least some intention to come back. I'm also financially well off to travel around the country bar unfortunate circumstances. I'm in the lower end of this privileged group, but still part of it nonetheless.

 

If you live in Australia, or far Eastern Europe, or even Asia (Zepp was 5 years ago and there was never another of its kind), the missions statement completely excludes you as a fan even though it would be easy for the band to still work on making their overall shows good in addition to the special ones. The early Drones festivals were good examples.

 

The small shows also don't get nearly the kind of advanced notice the main tour does.

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It's not all the deepest cuts but there were nice songs being played somewhat regularly. Sunburn was showing up often in last tour's arena shows, even the US. The sets were also longer, more structured around the band instead of the stage.

 

I'm not opposed to small shows. They are a great chance to play the rarest songs and the crowd will definitely appreciate them more. What I'm opposed to is how it's opened up the mindset of putting all the fan-serving show elements into these special shows (small venues, special festivals, etc.) and leaving the rest entirely. I cited SBE 2013 and I could add something like Casino de Paris 2010 and E-Werk 2012 as examples when special fan shows happened without said mindset. Hell, the shows leading up to Reading/Leeds 2011 were fantastic. There was clearly a superior show where they played Origin, but as standard shows the others weren't a disappointment except in length.

 

The sets being longer and production structure is more to do with the Drones tour itself than the introduction of small shows though tbf. And, like I said, I don’t think they are leaving the rest tbh, are they? Sunburn was a bit of an outlier on the T2L arena tour, being played a weirdly high amount (32x) but, other than that, your next best deeper fan favourites were Bliss (17x), Agitated (12x), Falling Down (9x) and B&H (5x). The Drones WT got off to a stinker in the US, I know, but during the second half you had TAB (35x), CE (26x), AP (24x) and Bliss (22x). We even saw Showbiz knock around a fair bit after it came back at SBE.

 

They went through some stints of really good form between 2011-2015 but, generally, are things not the same as they’ve pretty much always been w/ the arenas? A small handful of older fan favourites being rotated in/out, maybe 2 at any given gig, with the US generally being neglected.

 

And see, this still ignores the entire conclusion I drew from the original post. This is the situation for you. You live in an area where you have access to both these kinds of shows. This isn't entirely personal envy either. I'm in the US, which was the only country out of the UK to get Psycho Tour dates, and they have shown at least some intention to come back. I'm also financially well off to travel around the country bar unfortunate circumstances. I'm in the lower end of this privileged group, but still part of it nonetheless.

 

If you live in Australia, or far Eastern Europe, or even Asia (Zepp was 5 years ago and there was never another of its kind), the missions statement completely excludes you as a fan even though it would be easy for the band to still work on making their overall shows good in addition to the special ones. The early Drones festivals were good examples.

 

The small shows also don't get nearly the kind of advanced notice the main tour does.

 

I know, I acknowledged this multiple times :chuckle: the relatively limited places that’ve received this treatment is a shame, not arguing that at all. We’d all love to see them take it wider. All I’m saying is the base theory behind these small shows and the divide between small/big shows as it is, I’m pretty fine with.

 

Relatively speaking, I’ve only been to 2 small shows so far (3 now with RAH I guess, if that’s small enough to count?) so I’ve missed out on a fair amount more than I’ve seen. I’m still glad they’re happening though, y’know?

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Seems I am the only one here...

 

I haven't listened to the album yet, I'll wait for Friday.

 

First, I want to listenin great quality. Second, I'm no fan of leaks, ok it's only 2 days and nowadays it's no big deal anymore :stunned: third, I respect the band and apreciate all the effort they put into it.

 

Call me old-fashioned, I'm fine with it. :D

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Not very controversial, I think there are many people waiting for the experience of unpacking the disk/vinyl, and having a nice first listening session :happy:

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The Dark Side ARV is the most touching song Matt has ever written

 

Edit : HCM is also very powerful but that one is too focused on a third person to be really intimate between him and the listener. TDS feels like I'm penetrating the poor thing's despaired soul

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Break it to me is one of the best/coolest songs they've ever released.

 

Yup

 

Propaganda is in the top 3 'pop' songs Muse have ever done.

 

Yup

 

Blockades is just dreadful.

 

Nope :noey:

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I still don’t think Pressure works well live. :( I still love the studio version.

 

Propaganda is in the top 3 'pop' songs Muse have ever done.

 

:yesey::love:

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