ryanp16 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I read the first sentence and knew you were gonna tell the story about the kid and the amp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanp16 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I heard an ill omen; Guiding Light being soundchecked Manchester had Guiding Light soundcheck three times so in total I got to hear it four times that day. It was amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redneonfish Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Manchester had Guiding Light soundcheck three times so in total I got to hear it four times that day. It was amazing. There's a nice controversial opinion to get the thread back on topic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Ferris Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 (edited) Yep. The mix is great, The production is just a bit too clean, like you say. Some songs would have needed a rougher treatment. Yeah. They don't need a particularly raw treatment (I doubt that, say, Kurt Ballou would get the best results out of Muse), but less gloss would be good. Edited August 25, 2014 by Alec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeniInChains Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Haaaa. Your experience sounds much worse than mine (sorry!). Maybe he passed me at some point to get some beer. I was there with my brother, and we managed to enlist some people into a sort of barrier blocking the gaps that people we getting through. Gandalf would've been pretty proud. They were subsequently paid with the Musos we caught. It was indeed a nice day, super hot and everything. It did take a turn for the worse though. I heard an ill omen; Guiding Light being soundchecked. I almost wouldn't have minded the shorter setlists, had we not been shafted with the rotations too. I seem to remember the performance of Stockholm being pretty good though, so it wasn't all bad. Stockholm was the highlight of that night for sure, don't think I've ever screamed louder in my life! And yes I heard the soundcheck too while my upper body was being grilled... and was hoping it could maybe be a bad hallucination due to the sunstroke. I read the first sentence and knew you were gonna tell the story about the kid and the amp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Ferris Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 (edited) Stockholm was the highlight of that night for sure, don't think I've ever screamed louder in my life! And yes I heard the soundcheck too while my upper body was being grilled... and was hoping it could maybe be a bad hallucination due to the sunstroke. Stockholm was definitely the highlight of the Wembley gig I went to and Reading. This probably isn't controversial, but I wish Matt would do the screams from the studio version live. Edited August 25, 2014 by Alec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redneonfish Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Stockholm was definitely the highlight of the Wembley gig I went to and Reading. This probably isn't controversial, but I wish Matt would do the screams from the studio version live. The 'I wish I could bits' sound like an afterthought in the recent versions. Maybe this is controversial though. I'd really hate it if Matt started doing more screams like he does in the early live songs. Thought it does contradict my point a fair bit, I don't actually mind it there. I just woudn't want an album of that, which is (maybe) my mistaken understanding of what people mean when they say they want Matt to scream a bit more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Ferris Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 The 'I wish I could bits' sound like an afterthought in the recent versions. Maybe this is controversial though. I'd really hate it if Matt started doing more screams like he does in the early live songs. Thought it does contradict my point a fair bit, I don't actually mind it there. I just woudn't want an album of that, which is (maybe) my mistaken understanding of what people mean when they say they want Matt to scream a bit more. Yeah, it falls a bit flat the way he currently does it. I'd like Matt to develop some good harsh vocals. Something along the lines of Jacob Bannon's more intelligible screaming or Chino Moreno's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 The 'I wish I could bits' sound like an afterthought in the recent versions. Maybe this is controversial though. I'd really hate it if Matt started doing more screams like he does in the early live songs. Thought it does contradict my point a fair bit, I don't actually mind it there. I just woudn't want an album of that, which is (maybe) my mistaken understanding of what people mean when they say they want Matt to scream a bit more. I think some screaming like that live is exciting, but no, I wouldn't want it on the album. I was initially attracted to Muse due to Matt's vocals, and they continue to be one of the things I enjoy the most; really not looking for him to change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 The 'I wish I could bits' sound like an afterthought in the recent versions. Maybe this is controversial though. I'd really hate it if Matt started doing more screams like he does in the early live songs. Thought it does contradict my point a fair bit, I don't actually mind it there. I just woudn't want an album of that, which is (maybe) my mistaken understanding of what people mean when they say they want Matt to scream a bit more. Stockholm is a perfect example of how I want Matt to utilize screaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectrum IV Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Stockholm is a perfect example of how I want Matt to utilize screaming. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1HpPJ6a9hI Firstly I love the piercing falsetto he does at 3:48. He doesn't have anywhere near that power nowadays. Secondly he does a crescendo scream at 3:20 which is hard to do, really cool, and adds just the right amount of grit when done right. He does it way better here at 2:04: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8jjfrp6jrU Other versions of Showbiz were ruined for me after hearing that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Not sure why you quoted him and what your point is... edit: no ok I don't like the 3:20 in MM. The Showbiz one is great though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1HpPJ6a9hI Firstly I love the piercing falsetto he does at 3:48. He doesn't have anywhere near that power nowadays. Secondly he does a crescendo scream at 3:20 which is hard to do, really cool, and adds just the right amount of grit when done right. He does it way better here at 2:04: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8jjfrp6jrU Other versions of Showbiz were ruined for me after hearing that Yep, love both of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redneonfish Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 I don't mind the falsetto in MM at 3.48, but I don't like the death squeals at 3.20 in MM, or the one in Showbiz. I find it pretty grating, and as cliché as it is, Matt's voice is one of the reasons I got into Muse. I think if he were to start screaming left, right and centre, then I guess it wouldn't really sound like Muse anymore. I dunno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 I don't mind the falsetto in MM at 3.48, but I don't like the death squeals at 3.20 in MM, or the one in Showbiz. I find it pretty grating, and as cliché as it is, Matt's voice is one of the reasons I got into Muse. I think if he were to start screaming left, right and centre, then I guess it wouldn't really sound like Muse anymore. I dunno. "don't mind" the falsetto. Bro, that's like the best Bellamy falsetto ever. But...Matt DID scream left, right and centre for like the first 5 years of their career. It wouldn't exactly be something new. I mean.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMco80UL9DY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 ^ the one at 3:08 is always my favourite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redneonfish Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 "don't mind" the falsetto. Bro, that's like the best Bellamy falsetto ever. But...Matt DID scream left, right and centre for like the first 5 years of their career. It wouldn't exactly be something new. I mean.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMco80UL9DY I've seen the videos being used to seriously undermine paragons of the board such as SpiralStatic1, so it's somewhat comforting to know that I'm in illustrious company. That video does actually help me clarify my opinion though. I'd like to draw a distinction between the falsetto screams, and the other sort of scream. The one at 3:08 is a perfect example of what I don't like, and what I don't want more of. The falsetto shrieks can stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Muse I know you're reading this, don't listen to Ikra. He's a silly goose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 No one is mentioning any specific sort of scream though. People just want something that goes better with heavier material than the lame "I wish I co-". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redneonfish Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 No one is mentioning any specific sort of scream though. People just want something that goes better with heavier material than the lame "I wish I co-". Yeah, fair point. 3:08 is what I associate, probably wrongly, with scream and it's just that, that I don't want. I don't think anybody could dispute the shitness of 'I wish I co...' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Tbh the only thing that makes 3.08 sound bad imo are the drops at the end of the screams which make the whole thing sound tacky and out of place. If he just stopped screaming, or held it for a bit longer, it would sound just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 love this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redneonfish Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 I could cope with that in moderation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunge Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Part of me loves how sparsely Matt (used) to use the screams. TSP from Earls Court, both versions, are great. Chris's headbanging too . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoberCitizen Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 I'm not sure whether it's the effects on Matt's voice or just the awesomeness of that scream, but Trabendo's first "I wish I could" is my favourite ever. Actually, make it my favourite Matt scream. http://picosong.com/ciTL/ (at 2:00) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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