Do you find that "hipsters" often hate Muse? And is it mainly because of Pitchfork?

[serpentsatellite]

Generally being called a hipster is an outside thing. For example, I'm called a hipster by my friends when I mention a band like The Antlers or The Joy Formidable. Whereas some people on here know bands that are in sub genres of genres I didn't even know were possible.

 

This post was pointless. Thank you for wasting your time.

 

Yeah, you would think it would be hard to top wasting time arguing about whether Muse songs are shitty or not on the internet, but I persevere.

[garytang182]

"Being an atheist means you have to realise that when you die, that really is it. You've got to make the most of what you've got here and spread as much influence as you can. I believe that you only live through the influence that you spread, whether that means having a kid or making music."

 

it's what Matt said so I take a guess that he's atheist not sure about the rest

[FabriPav]

 

[Hat]

"Being an atheist means you have to realise that when you die, that really is it. You've got to make the most of what you've got here and spread as much influence as you can. I believe that you only live through the influence that you spread, whether that means having a kid or making music."

 

it's what Matt said so I take a guess that he's atheist not sure about the rest

He didn't actually say he was an atheist though.

[serpentsatellite]

He strongly implied it, but he's also straight out said he was writing songs about his attempt to find a religion that works for him, and how he hasn't found anything.

Then, looking at the content of the songs in that light, they do seem to really point towards wanting to be religious simply because he wants to believe life means more than it does.

And that really often makes BELIEVING in religion difficult.

Again, assuming. And also not really mentioned in the last decade.

 

Anyways, here's why people don't like Muse, or pretend not to, imo:

- They're terribly popular in some places, which makes them uncool

- They often don't take themselves very seriously, in their music and live shows as well; people can feel like being into art that doesn't take itself seriously as "art" can reflect on their personality.

I've noticed this is huge with my peers. And more "fun" bands are strictly considered a "kids only" thing, or for people who aren't ashamed of their "bad taste."

[sade]

Generally being called a hipster is an outside thing. For example, I'm called a hipster by my friends when I mention a band like The Antlers or The Joy Formidable. Whereas some people on here know bands that are in sub genres of genres I didn't even know were possible.

 

Kind of from the same vein, the best explanation of what is a "hipster" I've heard so far:

 

I don't think the deciding issue (with music elitists hating Muse) is popularity per se. Radiohead is hugely popular, and I would think the average "hipster" likes/at least respects them (Nor is it the Twilight thing, for the matter of fact: artists like Thom Yorke, Bon Iver, Death Cab for Cutie and Lykke Li all participated in the New Moon soundtrack and have their street cred intact).

 

It comes down to the whole lo-fi sound&aesthetic being the ideal to aspire to, imo. Muse are shamessly commercial and accessible with their catchiness, and the more "out there" moments like Micro Cuts were examples tend to lack nuance in their in-your-faceness. Or they are perceived as following [Radiohead, Jeff Buckley, etc] rather than leading in the music scene.

[haze015]

If you can spell the bands you listen to using a conventional alphabet, then you're not a hipster.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puLDuV3azbA

[serpentsatellite]

I do find that as hugely popular as Radiohead is, though, I've only really known one person who actually LIKED them.

It's the other side of the coin... Radiohead is so acclaimed, and "cool" that it's a bit embarassing to say you don't like them, or never actually listened to them.

[eyduh]

"Being an atheist means you have to realise that when you die, that really is it. You've got to make the most of what you've got here and spread as much influence as you can. I believe that you only live through the influence that you spread, whether that means having a kid or making music."

 

it's what Matt said so I take a guess that he's atheist not sure about the rest

 

When I was 12 a nun explained to my class what an atheist was.

 

So she's atheist, too?

[serpentsatellite]

The first part of his statement would be rather pointless, however, in light of the last part.

Not that that would be terribly unusual for the steam of consciousness way Matt speaks, at times.

So, you can see why people read it that way.

(ie: atheists have to live on through influence they leave behind; I believe that and try to live my life that way.)

 

This is a sensitive subject, even though it effects us in no way whatsoever?

[Hat]

The first part of his statement would be rather pointless, however, in light of the last part.

Not that that would be terribly unusual for the steam of consciousness way Matt speaks, at times.

So, you can see why people read it that way.

(ie: atheists have to live on through influence they leave behind; I believe that and try to live my life that way.)

 

This is a sensitive subject, even though it effects us in no way whatsoever?

And at the same time the quote could have been taken completely out of its context.

 

In any case, it's definitely not proving anything about what Matt is.

[serpentsatellite]

It's not the only quote, but context/drugs could be a factor in just about all of them that I remember.

Could play that game all day, so I won't bother quoting unless someone wants.

 

Doesn't touch the question pertaining to the topic, though: WHY would it matter to anyone if any of the three were atheists, or not? Why would it impact if people would like the band or not, as someone posed earlier?

[sade]

Doesn't touch the question pertaining to the topic, though: WHY would it matter to anyone if any of the three were atheists, or not? Why would it impact if people would like the band or not, as someone posed earlier?

 

It's a bit naive to ask that question. It shouldn't matter, but since religion is such a touchy subject, obviously people do care. People project their own beliefs on their idols all the time, because people feel a connection to the people idolize and want them to have similar thoughts and beliefs as they do.

 

In a way I do understand it, because if I learned that someone I idolize is a e.g. young earth creatonist with a "homosexiality is wrong" stance or a Catholic who opposes condom use, I would be disappointed. It wouldn't necessarily affect my liking of the music, but I wouldn't have the same level of respect for them.

[serpentsatellite]

Actually, I view it as quite the opposite of a naive question.

I know the answer is basically exactly what you posted, but I also find that that sort of thinking is quite problematic.

It might seem a little innocuous projecting your values on artists, and of course it will have little to no real world impact... but it's a symptom of an issue on a much larger scale.

I'm not calling anyone out on it, but I always think it's a good thing to take a step back and try and realize WHY something would bother you.

And, while I get the comparision, someone being maybe agnostic/atheist would be far more innocent than someone being anti-homosexuality, etc.

 

There's also a stigma against atheists that really... just isn't true. The only atheists who really discuss their "beliefs" are the ones who look down on the people who they believe are religious out of some sort of idiocy, etc.

The rest of them... just don't have anything to discuss.

I, for one, am always a little sad when I find out someone else is an atheist, because you just lack the comforts of meaning to life, and afterlife; that can be a really traumatic thing to deal with. I wouldn't actually push it on anyone.

 

And well, OT, Muse has, at worst, written some songs questioning religious aspects, or dealing with a crisis of faith in a way, and aren't actually AVOCATING anything.

I feel kind of sad that people would be negative about that, instead of it invoking the sort of sadness and empathy that it should. It's much more real and human than songs about space aliens and conspiracy theories.

[haze015]

What has any of this got to do with us sexy, sexy hipsters?

 

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/hipsters-are-better-than-you-say-researchers-2013021259405

[eyduh]

There's also a stigma against atheists that really... just isn't true. The only atheists who really discuss their "beliefs" are the ones who look down on the people who they believe are religious out of some sort of idiocy, etc.

The rest of them... just don't have anything to discuss.

I, for one, am always a little sad when I find out someone else is an atheist, because you just lack the comforts of meaning to life, and afterlife; that can be a really traumatic thing to deal with. I wouldn't actually push it on anyone.

 

wtf

 

Why would you feel sad about anybody being atheist? If you're religious for comfort, that's your own problem to deal with. I'm sure there are plenty of atheists out there, including myself, who are living perfectly fine without knowing the ~~meaning of life~ or knowing what the fuck comes after you die.

[sade]

There's also a stigma against atheists that really... just isn't true. The only atheists who really discuss their "beliefs" are the ones who look down on the people who they believe are religious out of some sort of idiocy, etc.

The rest of them... just don't have anything to discuss.

 

I don't think that is true at all. People's favourite topic will always be one thing, themselves, and that includes discussing their own beliefs just because, and not just to shame other people. You mention your sadness for being an atheist- TOADA seems to come from the same place, an agnostic/atheist discussing their lack of faith and what it means to them. [whether or not Matt Bellamy is either of those things is not really relevant to make that point]

 

Just to get more back on topic, I haven't really seen the band members' personal religious beliefs or lack of as being a thing that has held Muse back in any way, so actually I'm not sure why it is discussed as a reason for hindering their popularity. I mean, I see why there might be the occasional person who finds a suggestion of atheism as objectionable and refuses to listen to the band, but there will always be the fundamentalists for every reason and cause and their boycott affects nothing on a larger scale.

[Hat]

I, for one, am always a little sad when I find out someone else is an atheist, because you just lack the comforts of meaning to life, and afterlife; that can be a really traumatic thing to deal with. I wouldn't actually push it on anyone.

If someone needs religion to give them purpose and meaning in life, aren't they the ones you should be feeling sorry for?

[sade]

If someone needs religion to give them purpose and meaning in life, aren't they the ones you should be feeling sorry for?

 

I used to think like this before, but I do get why it's comforting to have religion. I'm somewhere between an atheist(most days) and agnostic-with-very-serious-doubts-about-the-existence-of-a-higher-being, and sometimes it's kind of depressing to know that (my) life doesn't really seem to have any sort of a point at all. Or how scary/odd it is to "know" there is nothing after death (despite the logical reasoning that it's not like I care then...being dead and all). So I can see why having the reassurance of someone up there looking after you and being reunited with your loved ones once you die is a good place to be.

[Banksy.]

Is this really on topic at all? I think we've seen before how fantastic discussion about religion or the lack of it is on this board.

[eyduh]

Is this really on topic at all?

 

nope

 

but that's what you get for making a thread about why hipsters hate muse

[Hat]

I used to think like this before, but I do get why it's comforting to have religion. I'm somewhere between an atheist(most days) and agnostic-with-very-serious-doubts-about-the-existence-of-a-higher-being, and sometimes it's kind of depressing to know that (my) life doesn't really seem to have any sort of a point at all. Or how scary/odd it is to "know" there is nothing after death (despite the logical reasoning that it's not like I care then...being dead and all). So I can see why having the reassurance of someone up there looking after you and being reunited with your loved ones once you die is a good place to be.

Obviously I also get why religion is comforting to people. That's not my point.

[serpentsatellite]

If someone needs religion to give them purpose and meaning in life, aren't they the ones you should be feeling sorry for?

 

No, since it's been going on since the evolution of consciousness... I'd say it's just part of being human. Or self aware. Whichever.

 

Knowing that everything I do means nothing ultimately, and was just some sort of accidental occurance... that all the suffering and sadness everywhere is for absolutely no purpose... and that someday my life is going to go out like a bad lightbulb... that really puts a bit of a dark tone to the entire thing.

Somedays I hardly think about it, and some days I feel it closing in on me like staring down into a giant fucking black hole.

 

OT: we lack a real definition of what a hipster is, so the point sort of fizzled out really fast.

But, I guess, debating why Muse is "uncool" is legit to the topic. Possibly.

[Hat]

No, since it's been going on since the evolution of consciousness... I'd say it's just part of being human. Or self aware. Whichever.

 

Knowing that everything I do means nothing ultimately, and was just some sort of accidental occurance... that all the suffering and sadness everywhere is for absolutely no purpose... and that someday my life is going to go out like a bad lightbulb... that really puts a bit of a dark tone to the entire thing.

Somedays I hardly think about it, and some days I feel it closing in on me like staring down into a giant fucking black hole.

 

OT: we lack a real definition of what a hipster is, so the point sort of fizzled out really fast.

But, I guess, debating why Muse is "uncool" is legit to the topic. Possibly.

But what I'm saying is that despite this lack of religion, people still find purpose to carry on. They still find things that make them get up in the morning. Dreams, goals, family and friends, love etc. I find it a lot more sad that people don't have anything better to hold on to than the idea of a God and that something better will come in the life after this one. How is that not sad?

[serpentsatellite]

But what I'm saying is that despite this lack of religion, people still find purpose to carry on. They still find things that make them get up in the morning. Dreams, goals, family and friends, love etc. I find it a lot more sad that people don't have anything better to hold on to than the idea of a God and that something better will come in the life after this one. How is that not sad?

 

It might be a bit "sad" in the limited frame of the example you gave.

Assuming someone's living "the American dream" or has things to look forward to, yes, sometimes you have to wonder why they would need more.

(Except for that nasty bit about death and oblivion...)

 

But how about people who are sick, suffering, dying? Alone? Going through the loss of someone special?

Born into poverty or wartorn environments?

It's more often those times when the pure meaninglessness of it all is apparent, and an issue.

 

And, regardless... even if your life is amazing, the though of oblivion... who WOULDN'T want something more?