Delorean Posted December 19, 2009 Author Share Posted December 19, 2009 it's not easy. i was practically tearing my hair out doing mine. Yeh, I know it isn't easy but could you explain the hard bits or things that you really have to consentrate at while doing it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hooglebug Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 putting it on the front and back will be easy. just whack some glue on - epoxy will be best - and clamp it down making sure to cover the whole bit of mirror with something to spread the force. ie, dont just put clamps around the edges. put a board on top of the mirror and clamp that down. with the sides you'll have to pre-bend them with a heat gun (only use it on the front face of the mirror. if you use a heat gun on the back the mirror backing will bubble which is good for a relic type look, but not if you want it shiney) and find a way to clamp it to the shape of your guitar until it cools. once it has cooled it should stay pretty much to the shape you need it to be. if it needs bending a little more for glueing then use the heat gun again until its perfect. if you do the sides first then you can trim them down flush with the top and back of the body. then you can put the top and back on so the sides wont be visible from the front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean Posted December 19, 2009 Author Share Posted December 19, 2009 putting it on the front and back will be easy. just whack some glue on - epoxy will be best - and clamp it down making sure to cover the whole bit of mirror with something to spread the force. ie, dont just put clamps around the edges. put a board on top of the mirror and clamp that down. with the sides you'll have to pre-bend them with a heat gun (only use it on the front face of the mirror. if you use a heat gun on the back the mirror backing will bubble which is good for a relic type look, but not if you want it shiney) and find a way to clamp it to the shape of your guitar until it cools. once it has cooled it should stay pretty much to the shape you need it to be. if it needs bending a little more for glueing then use the heat gun again until its perfect. if you do the sides first then you can trim them down flush with the top and back of the body. then you can put the top and back on so the sides wont be visible from the front. thanks a lot very helpfull. Is there anything else u have to watch out for ? Otherwise thanks a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hooglebug Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 not particularly. just remember the mirror is going to add 3mm all the way around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean Posted December 19, 2009 Author Share Posted December 19, 2009 I heard that most of the guitar bodies made for Matt are 40mm thick. Would all my electronics fit in it? So with the mirror it would be 44mm (standard:45mm). That would be perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hooglebug Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 when iv done them iv usually done it 45mm. and from the look of some of the pics iv seen of his when you can see the depth they look thicker than 40 to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 if you start with 38mm by the time you had 3mm of mirror on each side plus about 1mm of glue on each side you'll be in the ball park. also remember when you're cutting the neck pocket, you want to move it 3mm towards the lower horn, otherwise when you put the mirror on it'll be blocking your access to the higher frets. also remember to make the whole outline smaller because the mirror the whole way around the edge makes it bigger. you might want to chamber the body as well, it adds a tonne of weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean Posted December 19, 2009 Author Share Posted December 19, 2009 if you start with 38mm by the time you had 3mm of mirror on each side plus about 1mm of glue on each side you'll be in the ball park. also remember when you're cutting the neck pocket, you want to move it 3mm towards the lower horn, otherwise when you put the mirror on it'll be blocking your access to the higher frets. also remember to make the whole outline smaller because the mirror the whole way around the edge makes it bigger. you might want to chamber the body as well, it adds a tonne of weight. Shit. I think that the ibanez trem wouldnt be held in properly if I only have 38mm of wood. What do u think ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 Shit. I think that the ibanez trem wouldnt be held in properly if I only have 38mm of wood. What do u think ? I dunno. You had better get everything measured up. You can always make it thicker, it'll just be even more uncomfortable to play. I'd maybe reconsider the whole mirror thing. I rarely play my Mirror Manson replica because it's heavy and the sharp, hard edges make it pretty uncomfortable to play. A mirrored front with a contoured back would be much nicer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean Posted December 19, 2009 Author Share Posted December 19, 2009 I dunno. You had better get everything measured up. You can always make it thicker, it'll just be even more uncomfortable to play. I'd maybe reconsider the whole mirror thing. I rarely play my Mirror Manson replica because it's heavy and the sharp, hard edges make it pretty uncomfortable to play. A mirrored front with a contoured back would be much nicer! How thick do you think the guitar should be then, so it is comfortable to play ? Did you make a forearm countour tho? When Im bored of it - I can always rip it all off and cover it with something different ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james90 Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 If you still go for the mirror thing, I'd definitely look into a forearm contour for it....I don't know how it's done exactly. the M1D1 had one apparently, so it's possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean Posted December 20, 2009 Author Share Posted December 20, 2009 If you still go for the mirror thing, I'd definitely look into a forearm contour for it....I don't know how it's done exactly. the M1D1 had one apparently, so it's possible. I will make a forearm countour definately (just dunno how) hha , and also the countour for the belly onn the back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 I will make a forearm countour definately (just dunno how) hha , and also the countour for the belly onn the back the contour on the back is the important one for comfort. but it's impossible to do with the mirror. that's the trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean Posted December 20, 2009 Author Share Posted December 20, 2009 the contour on the back is the important one for comfort. but it's impossible to do with the mirror. that's the trouble. IMPOSSIBLE ?! That cant be true ) If youcould make the forearm contour , why cant you make it at the back ? Isn't it the same... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hooglebug Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 because the forearm contour is convex so is easy to bend mirror over it. the belly cut is concave and you'd need lots of heat and a vacuum press to do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean Posted December 20, 2009 Author Share Posted December 20, 2009 because the forearm contour is convex so is easy to bend mirror over it. the belly cut is concave and you'd need lots of heat and a vacuum press to do it So, are you sure it's not gonna work (belly contour)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hooglebug Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 pretty damn sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean Posted December 20, 2009 Author Share Posted December 20, 2009 pretty damn sure Shit... ( That ain't good.. Would shiny aluminium look good with the mirror ? (Because u could definetely bend the aluminium). I'm not sure what to do now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olly. Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 it's only the back, surely it wont matter too much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hooglebug Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 its not that much of a deal breaker not having a belly cutout. teles dont have them. les pauls dont have them. plenty of people seem to get on with those fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean Posted December 20, 2009 Author Share Posted December 20, 2009 it's only the back, surely it wont matter too much? Yeh, It doesn't matter that much, but it want be as comfortable. I got used to play Ibanez and they have it, so every time I play a tele it doesn't feel so good ) I'll get used to it then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 Tele's don't have a sharp right angled edge though. Plus with the weight of the mirrored guitars isn't really not comfortable. With my old alloy guitar I did a back contour, it had to be 2 pieces though, you can't stretch alloy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean Posted December 20, 2009 Author Share Posted December 20, 2009 Tele's don't have a sharp right angled edge though. Plus with the weight of the mirrored guitars isn't really not comfortable. With my old alloy guitar I did a back contour, it had to be 2 pieces though, you can't stretch alloy! I dont think I'll have any problems with sharp edges coz I'll try to put the forearm contour in and hopefully that would be fine with my right hand. Anyway, that is far away ) I havn't started yet. So I'll come back to it later on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 The discomfort is where it digs into your ribs, not your arm. You'll find out for yourself if it gets done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hooglebug Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 Tele's don't have a sharp right angled edge though. cough cough tele customs do with their double binding hehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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