trugalump Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Technically, there shouldn't be any distortion anywhere. Now I've had a chance to listen to BH&R, you can hear clipping everywhere. Compression can be used to make things sound richer, so I wouldn't go slagging it off too much Compression is used all the time, on everything, it makes things more comfortable to listen to because the quiet things arent almost inaudible and the loud parts dont blow ur ears off. Its especially used on drums and if u ever heard a drum track without compression on it, its rubbish and would just mess up the end product of the song u were recording. Compression is often used to a much too higher level in dance music but this gives the effect the producers want for it. But it is used loads throughout the industry, especially multiband compressors which can greatly improve the sound and emphisis of an instrument by compressing certain bands of frequencies more than others. btw haze this isnt directed at you i just wanted to include the partabout richness lol but i would like to know where u can hear clipping in BHandR becuase id be really suprised if they released the album with any clipping atall. (and distortion is caused when sound clips/peaks because the wave hits its "peak" and cant go any further so just distorts the overall sound.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no3chris Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 ok loudness war = bad , but its a live dvd man who gives a hsit itsl vie its raw its meant to hurt your fuckin ears ! lets go hit ourselves n drink cider n shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 Live Albums used to be left out of the Loudness war, the first muse live album was, I am hoping the DVD version of this album wasn't brick walled? I didn't realise an early version of MOTP is available, where can I get it? I recently found that you can download the drums, guitars, vocals and drums of SMBH separately, I downloaded them and created my own master of the song. but i would like to know where u can hear clipping in BHandR because id be really surprised if they released the album with any clipping at all. Really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tene Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 lol.....sometimes when u just import a song it imports it so loud that it peaks. This is obviously one of those times. It wouldnt be peaking when ur playing it in something like itunes, unless of course u have EQed it or ru nit through something that would be boosting it. IM not saying the loudness war doesnt exist, but they wouldnt release an album with any peaking what so ever, let alone something like that. Its probs just the programme your using importing it at a louder level than its meant to be. Then you're quite welcome to show me exactly what in this code is doing this to BHaR while leaving this 1991 album quite intact. Funnily enough, it does this to all modern albums, while leaving those released before 1990 well alone. Edit: These are the switches I always use: $ icedax -B -paranoia -D /dev/sr0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunge Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 The thing is... I don't care. w00t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binarysonnets Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 This is what happens when you turn it up to 11! Where can one hear the other edit of map of the problematique? Can you download it off itunes by any chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tene Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 This is what happens when you turn it up to 11! Where can one hear the other edit of map of the problematique? Can you download it off itunes by any chance? I'm not sure, someone sent it to me I think. It sounds like a metallic mess unless you turn your preamp down, in which case it sounds like flat noise with white static in the background. Not worth the bother really, but it's probably on Muselive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binarysonnets Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 I'm not sure, someone sent it to me I think. It sounds like a metallic mess unless you turn your preamp down, in which case it sounds like flat noise with white static in the background. Not worth the bother really, but it's probably on Muselive. hang on I thought the other edit was supposed to be better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tene Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 hang on I thought the other edit was supposed to be better? Hang on, you're not talking about the Rich Costey edit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binarysonnets Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 Hang on, you're not talking about the Rich Costey edit? I don't know! I haven't heard it! I was going from this: Anyway, I've got a copy of Rich Costeys edit of MOTP on my itunes, I think it was part of the souvenier download right after the Wembley gig, and I played his edit alongside the album version and it's so obvious that the album version has been affected by its mastering. Who makes the decision to add this compression then if its not Costey ? or is he instructed to do it ? 'cos his edit, level wise sounds a lot better. I don't even care that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tene Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 I don't know! I haven't heard it! I was going from this: I don't even care that much. It still sounds really metallic. It's not quite as bad before the drums come in, but it's bad. It's not really Costey's fault though, as pointed out on hydrogenaudio.org a while back, if you look at the waveforms as they are now, you can see that there was a lot more variation in amplitude before someone decided to make it louder. The top of the waveform was effectively lopped off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chawknz Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 Wow, those levels are terrible. "But music like this is supposed to be loud" is completely missing the point. We're talking quality here. Here is a good article as to why this sort of thing is BAD. It's long and technical, so I've warned you in advance. http://www.cdmasteringservices.com/dynamicrange.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 It was mastered by Vlado Meller, I think he might have Alzheimer's because he obviously confused by what 0dbs means, also I think his hearing must be going, I think its time he was put in a retirement home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_H Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 If you want an example of terrible compression listen to the album 'By the way' by the chilli peppers. The bass in particular is shockingly bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mint Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Apparently the Vinyl version is excellent though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArrowSmith Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Wow, those levels are terrible. "But music like this is supposed to be loud" is completely missing the point. We're talking quality here. Here is a good article as to why this sort of thing is BAD. It's long and technical, so I've warned you in advance. http://www.cdmasteringservices.com/dynamicrange.htm +10000000 Many people don't understand the difference between loudness and dynamic range. The latter means quality, the former is bad!!! I hope Muse doesn't succumb to the Loudness War once again with the 5th album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning_October Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Yeah, hopefully. Maybe they'll mix it themselves. Also, I want them to record analog. Sounds SOOO much better than digital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amoremorte616 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 God I hope they don't record digital. For some reason digital just irks me. It doesn't sound...raw enuf I guess would b a word for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisirhC Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Ladies & gentlemen... this is Map of the problematique: Congratulations to all the people involved in the mastering process; thanks for destroying the album and my ears http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war http://www.cdmasteringservices.com/dynamicdeath.htm http://brianstagg.co.uk/p_t_a_clipressed/ You mean thanks for ruining EVERY album these days? If you thought Muse's commercially aimed albums were going to skip past the limiters you need slapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisirhC Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 wow, i didn't know that b4... This quote would be good in the many debates on this topic. I don't think Muse's albums would vary greatly if they weren't squashed like this, they've hardly done a death magnetic the next album with it's orchestrations will lose all it's implied dynamics if it;s over compressed like this though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArrowSmith Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 I think the biggest difference between the early period(Showbiz, OoS, Hullabaloo) and the later(Absolution, BH&R) is the digital compression. The early songs are real punchy, and the later ones are just loud. Weirdly enough, Soldier's Poem seem to sound good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisirhC Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 I think the biggest difference between the early period(Showbiz, OoS, Hullabaloo) and the later(Absolution, BH&R) is the digital compression. The early songs are real punchy, and the later ones are just loud. Weirdly enough, Soldier's Poem seem to sound good. yea, there's no justice in this world....when it comes to mastering engineers being forced to crank every album they get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian KEEEEM Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 I got Stockholm Syndrome, took out the center panned audio. And it looked perfectly fine. I put it back in, but I only put the lower frequencies in(chris) and it maxed out on the dB's. Haha, would you guys rather not hear Chris playing bass at all in stockholm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArrowSmith Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 I got Stockholm Syndrome, took out the center panned audio. And it looked perfectly fine. I put it back in, but I only put the lower frequencies in(chris) and it maxed out on the dB's. Haha, would you guys rather not hear Chris playing bass at all in stockholm? It would be nice if they mastered the tracks in a way that didn't regard the loudness wars on the radio. After all, 99% of people listen to Muse on their home equipment anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shining_dark Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 the next album with it's orchestrations will lose all it's implied dynamics if it;s over compressed like this though Never thought of that... completely true though. Thats a scary thought, I just hope that this 'symphonic monster' is intentionally in the right place... i mean, i hope its intended as a real, raw symphony (like they're usually recorded) and not a commercial piece of art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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