Emiloohoo3 Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Has anyone read the book 1984 by George Orwell? If so, did anyone notice the huge connection with the song United States of Eurasia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uprising Bliss Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 I think this has been connected with the "love is our resistance" theory. I think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainingradioheads Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 I think a lot of the album has its roots in 1984, and this point has been discussed many times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest QueenOfNerds Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Has anyone read the book 1984 by George Orwell? If so, did anyone notice the huge connection with the song United States of Eurasia? Matt has sort of directly stated that a lot of the album is influenced by 1984! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denisonfire Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 I think everybody knows that ;o Though I'm confused why people say that USoE is influenced by 1984 because there was Eurasia in 1984. Eurasia is an actual landmass/continent in the real world! But otherwise some parts of the song can have connection to 1984, like "these wars, they can't be won" etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainingradioheads Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 I think everybody knows that ;o Though I'm confused why people say that USoE is influenced by 1984 because there was Eurasia in 1984. Eurasia is an actual landmass/continent in the real world! But otherwise some parts of the song can have connection to 1984, like "these wars, they can't be won" etc. This is what we mean. We know Eurasia is a landmass. [/evil] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denisonfire Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 This is what we mean. We know Eurasia is a landmass. [/evil] I meant that I see people say that Eurasia is from 1984 once in a while. Well it is, but not in the song I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainingradioheads Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 I meant that I see people say that Eurasia is from 1984 once in a while. Well it is, but not in the song I think. 1984 was published in 1949. I'm not sure when the term Eurasia came about. But I think that the song is probably referring to the 1984 Eurasia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denisonfire Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 1984 was published in 1949. I'm not sure when the term Eurasia came about. But I think that the song is probably referring to the 1984 Eurasia. Well Matt said that the song was mostly influenced by a book The Grand Chessboard, which has something to do with Eurasia the landmass ok, here's Wiki: A Eurasia comprising approximately the same land area as the real-life landmass appears in George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four. This superstate excludes Britain and Ireland (both controlled by Oceania) and Eastasia, the latter of which was formed after a 'decade of confused fighting' by an alliance of the states of the real-life East Asia region, the most important three being Korea, China and Japan. India was a contested border zone between Eurasia and Oceania and was the most famous state involved. But really I think that songs have many meanings, it shouldn't be like "this song is about that and this". So I'll just leave it there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainingradioheads Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Well Matt said that the song was mostly influenced by a book The Grand Chessboard, which has something to do with Eurasia the landmass Matt says a lot of things. "The song is from an imaginary musical about a 'United States of Eurasia', the search for peace and the accidental creation of a new super power challenging American primacy." - Matt Also about USoE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USofE Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 The Eurasia in USofE has nothing to do with the Eurasia in 1984 .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainingradioheads Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 The Eurasia in USofE has nothing to do with the Eurasia in 1984 .... It can be interpreted that way if you think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elobliss Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 ^ I've just finished reading 1984, and it can be interpreted that way. Like the lyrics, "Must we do as we're told" can refer to the oppression and suppression of the 'common people' and their freedom of thought and action being taken away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarrieB Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Matt says a lot of things. "The song is from an imaginary musical about a 'United States of Eurasia', the search for peace and the accidental creation of a new super power challenging American primacy." - Matt Also about USoE. From what Matt has said it's about both things, because the book The Grand Chessboard is about America wanting to carve up Eurasia for their own ends, so that they remain the major superpower (and have access to the oil I think). USoE is about the creation of a superstate to rival America but its from the perspective of a megalomaniac and ends in ordinary people getting killed, so not supporting that happening. And of course Eurasia is in 1984 as well, which tells the story of endless wars which no one understands, so it's all intermingled and mixed with a bit of Highlander as well for good measure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinsmith Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Hello, I am Martin.This is my first visit to site.I am new to this site,but I’ve enjoyed posting in your forums.Welcome to the forum.I have no connection with this.But i am heared about this.I'm not sure when the term Eurasia came about. But I think that the song is probably referring to the 1984 Eurasia. Thank you very much and Stay connected with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarrieB Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 I tell you what this book is so influential and commented on so much. I was attempting to do a history essay on why Labour lost the election in 1951, and it was mentioned as part of the culture which contributed to them losing. Now I'm trying to do a psychology essay on determinism and free will, I've just turned the page and there's a bloody picture from the film! Ahh go away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheThoughtPolice. Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 Evidence to support that Nineteen Eighty Four is related to/inspired by The Resistance: 1.) "Is our secret safe tonight, and are we out of sight.." Talking about Julia & Winston's secret love affair, and how secretive they have to be. 2.) "Love is our resistance.." Love is their way of fighting The Party's oppression. 3.) "..and these wars, they can't be won.." & United States of Eurasia. Enough said. 4.) "..Will they find our hiding place.." Talking about when the Thought Police capture Winston & Julia and take him to Miniluv. 5.) "Must erase it fast." Talking about "doublethink" or in Oldspeak, getting rid of bad thoughts in the mind (thoughtcrime). 6.) "Kill our prayers for love and peace, you'll wake thought police." & 7.) "We can't hide the truth inside." Reference to the Thought Police. Yep, I love 1984 a bit toooo much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 Evidence to support that Nineteen Eighty Four is related to/inspired by The Resistance: 1.) "Is our secret safe tonight, and are we out of sight.." Talking about Julia & Winston's secret love affair, and how secretive they have to be. 2.) "Love is our resistance.." Love is their way of fighting The Party's oppression. 3.) "..and these wars, they can't be won.." & United States of Eurasia. Enough said. 4.) "..Will they find our hiding place.." Talking about when the Thought Police capture Winston & Julia and take him to Miniluv. 5.) "Must erase it fast." Talking about "doublethink" or in Oldspeak, getting rid of bad thoughts in the mind (thoughtcrime). 6.) "Kill our prayers for love and peace, you'll wake thought police." & 7.) "We can't hide the truth inside." Reference to the Thought Police. Yep, I love 1984 a bit toooo much. You're just about 10 months or so behind with that info, but yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheThoughtPolice. Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 You're just about 10 months or so behind with that info, but yeah. I'm new to his forum. Cut me some slack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 I'm new to his forum. Cut me some slack? Here you go: http://www.google.se/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=Muse+1984 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Origin of basses Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 the hole album is 1984 like. and citizen erased too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haze015 Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 The Resistance has fuck all to do with 1984, it only references it at best. 1984 was about there being no resistance at all, there was no way Winston & Julia could beat Big Brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarrieB Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 The Resistance has fuck all to do with 1984, it only references it at best. 1984 was about there being no resistance at all, there was no way Winston & Julia could beat Big Brother. And their love didn't survive. That's a pretty crucial aspect I think. But there's loads of references as real society is compared to that depicted in 1984. Plus any kind of resistance seems just as hopeless in the real situation, but does that mean that all hope should be abandonned. I don't think so. But possibly that factor is being alluded to, that it nevertheless feels like it will be hopeless or at least it's a long old struggle. The hope at the end of the album is there but it's miniscue and I vaguely remember (though could be wrong) Matt saying that he interpreted it as not working out, in that humanity doesn't survive. As I see it, the central theme of The Resistance (not that it's present in all the songs) isn't about achieving a goal, it's about fighting for it or, as also in Resistance (and 1984) finding compensations along the way, and I don't think it is solely a reference to politics and government either. PS Just adding, I don't think Citizen Erased is a direct reference to 1984 as it appears Matt wrote it before he took a great interest in the book, though he did say he read it at school. Both could be seen to be separate reflections on things in life though, on a similar theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheThoughtPolice. Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 The marching boots in "Intro" are also slightly referencing 1984, Winston talks about the "dull rhythmic pattern of marching boots.." during a song that was being played on the telescreen. I'm too much of a nerd. Seriously. It's an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 The marching boots in "Intro" are also slightly referencing 1984, Winston talks about the "dull rhythmic pattern of marching boots.." during a song that was being played on the telescreen. I'm too much of a nerd. Seriously. It's an issue. Ehm, no they aren't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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