Guest QueenOfNerds Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 MattB has not made any friends yet Loser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Ed_ Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 Can someone put into simpletun terms what's he is going on about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ril Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 I'm interested in Matt's thoughts on the loudness war personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 Can someone put into simpletun terms what's he is going on about he is suggesting that you are billed for your entertainment downloads when you are billed for your internet on a per MB basis or something. it's a horrendously flawed idea but an idea all the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museareawesome Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 A few clarifications are needed! (Some of you think this was well thought out, but I swear I wrote it in 10 minutes after a few drinks without going too deep!): - When I say tax I don't mean governmental tax, I mean a new law where ISPs have to pay copyright owners a share of the revenue that is generated from broadband subscriptions in acknowledgement of the value that the sharing of copyrighted content online has to those subscriptions and the profitability of the ISPs. - When I say 'creative industries' I also meant to include all original content creators, including content by people who have no record label or representation of any kind. E.g. If someone decides to make a DIY film or song with no budget which then goes viral to 20m people, there should be some universal method in place (like a bar code) where that person can trace how their film/song etc has been used and potentially claim some money back from the ISPs who will be gaining from such activity. If revenue could be generated (however small) for all content creators, it would be extremely liberating as many people would find not only mass recognition, but also a potential income without needing to sign their rights away to record companies, publishers and Hollywood production companies first. This could also reduce the 'creative bottle neck' that some writers and artists have to go through to impress the boards of directors of corporate companies and encourage a wider range of content and views to be expressed with independent budgets generated (increasing quality) due to the fact that most big investors in creative content (both music and film) tend to avoid anything politically controversial. - Regarding usage, obviously I didn't factor in that people exchange enormous amounts of legal data through FTPs etc. for work purposes. What I meant to say was that it may be worth devising a method to create a charge for ISPs based on the downloading of digitally labelled data only. Everybody is familiar with paying more or less for things like electricity, heating and telephone based on usage and these are also services associated with modern basic human rights. It cannot be ignored that billions of gigs of copyright owned (and independently created) data are being exchanged, bringing in large gains for ISPs which for some reason the ISPs do not have to pay for. All emails, browsing websites, work etc of course should always be included in a LOWER overall monthly subscription charge. Of course, if ISPs were forced to pay independent collection agencies like PRS (who would trace ONLY labelled or coded files) the result would almost certainly be this cost being passed on to the consumer, but personally, if we were talking pennies per MB usage for music added on to an already lowered ISP subscription (as opposed to 79p per track for every download), I would be all for it, and I am sure the millions of up and coming artists out there who at the moment cannot get a record deal without signing away all of their rights (including merch, publishing and touring) would be interested too. - Anyway, I just wanted to throw in an alternative view. Original quote below... My current opinion is that file sharing is now the norm. This cannot be changed without an attack on perceived civil liberties which will never go down well. The problem is that the ISPs making the extreme profits (due to millions of broadband subscriptions) are not being taxed by the copyright owners correctly and this is a legislation issue. Radio stations and TV stations etc have to pay the copyright owners (both recording and publishing) a fee for using material they do not own. ISPs should have to pay in the same way with a collection agency like PRS doing the monitoring and calculations based on encoded (but freely downloaded) data. Broadband makes the internet essentially the new broadcaster. This is the point which is being missed. Also, usage should have a value. Someone who just checks email uses minimal bandwidth, but someone who downloads 1 gig per day uses way more, but at the moment they pay the same. It is clear which user is hitting the creative industries and it is clear which user is not, so for this reason, usage should also be priced accordingly. The end result will be a taxed, monitored ISP based on usage which will ensure both the freedom of the consumer and the rights of the artists - the loser will be the ISP who will probably have to increase subscription costs to compensate, but the user will have the freedom to choose between checking a few emails (which will cost far less than a current monthly subscription) and downloading tons of music and film (which will cost probably a bit more than current subscription, but not that much more). We should set up a meeting with Lord Mandelson as he is on this issue at the moment, I'm sure he would meet us for breakfast! I agree Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megglen Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 Damn you cloud! DAMN YOU! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkshineskitty Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 Haha people are jumping on the tag bandwagon now I shouldn't have said anything and let my one remain solitary for as long as possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mozza Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 Haha people are jumping on the tag bandwagon now I shouldn't have said anything and let my one remain solitary for as long as possible mine is the best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emzlilachouse Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 Yeah I agree, this is what should have been done years ago. Unfortunately the record industry took too long in adjusting to the internet and the time has passed. Good to see someone in a big band actually proposing something rather than bitching and moaning about illegal downloading or promoting it because its 'cool to rebel' He actually reads the boards Yeh I knew he did because my teacher told me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkshineskitty Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 mine is the best Which is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ril Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 mine is the best I beg to differ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 103 people viewing news!!! Holy shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mozza Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 Which is that? "Whats my password?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkshineskitty Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 "Whats my password?" I like 'good post wrong section' and 'god has spoken' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Dommeh] Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 (like a bar code) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharonb87 Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 he is suggesting that you are billed for your entertainment downloads when you are billed for your internet on a per MB basis or something. it's a horrendously flawed idea but an idea all the same Thank you! I read it like three times and didn't realy understand it. Now I do. I agree with you, it is a good idea but very flawed.. Nice to see Matt out and about.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seregon Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 I'm very tempted to post "cool story bro" Nah, Matt, I think it's quite nice of you that you decided to come and defend your post but I personally find anyone that found it disgraceful needs to pull the stick out of their arse to be quite frank. Besides after reading many articles and watching many interviews after a certain number of years most of us have come to a conclusion that we have to take every thing you say with a pinch of salt I mean that in the nicest possible way Erm... I feel slightly shy now *hides* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Ed_ Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 Haha people are jumping on the tag bandwagon now I shouldn't have said anything and let my one remain solitary for as long as possible It's really getting out of hand now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 I'm very tempted to post "cool story bro" Nah, Matt, I think it's quite nice of you that you decided to come and defend your post but I personally find anyone that found it disgraceful needs to pull the stick out of their arse to be quite frank. Besides after reading many articles and watching many interviews after a certain number of years most of us have come to a conclusion that we have to take every thing you say with a pinch of salt I mean that in the nicest possible way Erm... I feel slightly shy now *hides* it would be hilarious if he quoted you with a cool story bro macro haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popey Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 I still can't disagree more with him on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkshineskitty Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 I'm very tempted to post "cool story bro" Omg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paraluman Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 I like 'god has spoken' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ril Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 ;6458024'] It does seem weird to hear Matt talking about bar coding when you put it into context with his lyrical output. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkshineskitty Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 I still can't disagree more with him on this. Popey and MattB beef! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seregon Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 Oh Kev, shouldn't you be doing your modding duty and telling Matt he's posting in the wrong area? Yes it should be in Banter! And then he can come chill with the cool kids OH WHAT. MATT? Jesus. Calm down Niall he isn't as big as Jesus! i gave him an infraction :LOL: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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