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im seeing some lyric potential in some of the replies! :LOL::LOL::LOL:

 

It's happening soon

It's happening soon

Matt's remembered his password for the messageboard

 

To them it is new

To them it is new

As long as Kev hasn't changed it he'll be logging in

 

And its going to be Matt Bellamy

And the spaff will go on

And on

Till June

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It's happening soon

It's happening soon

Matt's remembered his password for the messageboard

 

To them it is new

To them it is new

As long as Kev hasn't changed it he'll be logging in

 

And its going to be Matt Bellamy

And the spaff will go on

And on

Till June

 

:LOL: Funniest thing posted in here so far :LOL::LOL:

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is that sort of advertising not in crisis too?

 

It's certainly diminishing what with the situation at the moment as every industry has taken a hit but it's still there and fairly sizable. But that's traditional advertising. If there were ads tailored to the user based on their listening habits then advertisers would pay even more than what they do now because it would be more effective. Like Rage albums being advertised if a user has listened to a lot of Muse or even promoting gigs or events, there's so much potential that's not being explored that I see as the logical step to take. But alas the industry just wants as much control. They can keep it but they'll lose eventually.

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So we let the current music industry die for good and let it slip into each major act in a few decades having to be sponsored by a corporation and have ''SONY'' ''MARLBORO'' ''COCA COLA''

 

on everything they own just to get their music out there? Call it civil liberties being taken away but I see no difference in the endless amounts of CCTV in major cities because people abused their freedom to do what they like and murdered, mugged, and sold drugs.

 

I don't think it's impossible, not easy, but I am waiting for someone with a brain cell to come up with a decent idea.

 

why would that be the only alternative?

 

the major obstacle is that the idea is that that isps would have to monitor data and there are many circumstances where isps shouldn't and technologies that insure they cant.

 

we live in an age where it's now easier to buy music legally than download it freely, so people downloading it free are going to more efforts for it to be free. i don't see any reasons why the suggested method would change that.

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Matt's remembered his password for the messageboard

 

To them it is new

To them it is new

As long as Kev hasn't changed it he'll be logging in

 

And its going to be Matt Bellamy

And the spaff will go on

And on

Till June

 

:eek:I am... Speechless! I am without speech! (classic Seinfeld!)

 

That is just hilarious beyond... the... cats... heart attack... what?!

:LOL::LOL:

 

Musers are amazingly hilarious! Ahahahaa!:chuckle::LOL:

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If nothing good comes out of this I would love to see Muse be one of the first #1 album selling acts to break away from a major and go at it alone, they have all the contacts and means to make their music now uninterupted, they could easily get it distributed be it download only or mostly download, part physical (vinyl/CD)

 

There have been better sounding albums come out of less expensive studios than Bellini I can tell you....not saying The Resistance is low quality, but everything they need is right there.

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It's happening soon

It's happening soon

Matt's remembered his password for the messageboard

 

To them it is new

To them it is new

As long as Kev hasn't changed it he'll be logging in

 

And its going to be Matt Bellamy

And the spaff will go on

And on

Till June

 

:LOL:

 

Don't accuse him

Trust me

Matt never knew

That this was the wrong

This was the wrong section

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I notice how Lily and Matt both totally bypassed the notion that filesharing actually helps for the spread of new music. If it weren't for me sampling new music via downloads I'd listen to the same bands over and over because I'm not willing to hang out at a record store or take the advice of NME or other bullshit publications. I rely on recommendations from my friends sending me stuff and vice versa. If it wasn't for the nature of sharing that we have then many artists, including Lily herself, would not be around today.

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A few clarifications are needed! (Some of you think this was well thought out, but I swear I wrote it in 10 minutes after a few drinks without going too deep!):

 

- When I say tax I don't mean governmental tax, I mean a new law where ISPs have to pay copyright owners a share of the revenue that is generated from broadband subscriptions in acknowledgement of the value that the sharing of copyrighted content online has to those subscriptions and the profitability of the ISPs.

 

- When I say 'creative industries' I also meant to include all original content creators, including content by people who have no record label or representation of any kind. E.g. If someone decides to make a DIY film or song with no budget which then goes viral to 20m people, there should be some universal method in place (like a bar code) where that person can trace how their film/song etc has been used and potentially claim some money back from the ISPs who will be gaining from such activity. If revenue could be generated (however small) for all content creators, it would be extremely liberating as many people would find not only mass recognition, but also a potential income without needing to sign their rights away to record companies, publishers and Hollywood production companies first. This could also reduce the 'creative bottle neck' that some writers and artists have to go through to impress the boards of directors of corporate companies and encourage a wider range of content and views to be expressed with independent budgets generated (increasing quality) due to the fact that most big investors in creative content (both music and film) tend to avoid anything politically controversial.

 

- Regarding usage, obviously I didn't factor in that people exchange enormous amounts of legal data through FTPs etc. for work purposes. What I meant to say was that it may be worth devising a method to create a charge for ISPs based on the downloading of digitally labelled data only. Everybody is familiar with paying more or less for things like electricity, heating and telephone based on usage and these are also services associated with modern basic human rights. It cannot be ignored that billions of gigs of copyright owned (and independently created) data are being exchanged, bringing in large gains for ISPs which for some reason the ISPs do not have to pay for. All emails, browsing websites, work etc of course should always be included in a LOWER overall monthly subscription charge. Of course, if ISPs were forced to pay independent collection agencies like PRS (who would trace ONLY labelled or coded files) the result would almost certainly be this cost being passed on to the consumer, but personally, if we were talking pennies per MB usage for music added on to an already lowered ISP subscription (as opposed to 79p per track for every download), I would be all for it, and I am sure the millions of up and coming artists out there who at the moment cannot get a record deal without signing away all of their rights (including merch, publishing and touring) would be interested too.

 

- Anyway, I just wanted to throw in an alternative view.

 

Original quote below...

 

My current opinion is that file sharing is now the norm. This cannot be changed without an attack on perceived civil liberties which will never go down well. The problem is that the ISPs making the extreme profits (due to millions of broadband subscriptions) are not being taxed by the copyright owners correctly and this is a legislation issue. Radio stations and TV stations etc have to pay the copyright owners (both recording and publishing) a fee for using material they do not own. ISPs should have to pay in the same way with a collection agency like PRS doing the monitoring and calculations based on encoded (but freely downloaded) data. Broadband makes the internet essentially the new broadcaster. This is the point which is being missed.

 

Also, usage should have a value. Someone who just checks email uses minimal bandwidth, but someone who downloads 1 gig per day uses way more, but at the moment they pay the same. It is clear which user is hitting the creative industries and it is clear which user is not, so for this reason, usage should also be priced accordingly. The end result will be a taxed, monitored ISP based on usage which will ensure both the freedom of the consumer and the rights of the artists - the loser will be the ISP who will probably have to increase subscription costs to compensate, but the user will have the freedom to choose between checking a few emails (which will cost far less than a current monthly subscription) and downloading tons of music and film (which will cost probably a bit more than current subscription, but not that much more).

 

We should set up a meeting with Lord Mandelson as he is on this issue at the moment, I'm sure he would meet us for breakfast!

 

Flawless argument.

And I must say it's nothing too sci-fi (for once :LOL:) very reasonable, indeed.

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If nothing good comes out of this I would love to see Muse be one of the first #1 album selling acts to break away from a major and go at it alone, they have all the contacts and means to make their music now uninterupted, they could easily get it distributed be it download only or mostly download, part physical (vinyl/CD)

 

There have been better sounding albums come out of less expensive studios than Bellini I can tell you....not saying The Resistance is low quality, but everything they need is right there.

 

Oooh NIN mk2? :LOL:

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I notice how Lily and Matt both totally bypassed the notion that filesharing actually helps for the spread of new music. If it weren't for me sampling new music via downloads I'd listen to the same bands over and over because I'm not willing to hang out at a record store or take the advice of NME or other bullshit publications. I rely on recommendations from my friends sending me stuff and vice versa. If it wasn't for the nature of sharing that we have then many artists, including Lily herself, would not be around today.

 

Are they against abolishing rapid file sharing or the fact that it doesn't favor the copyrights of artists.

 

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Haha my pleasure :p

 

It's cool though, I bet he's sitting at home going "let the chaos begin *evil laugh*" :LOL:

 

Ha! I think he is far too intelligent to have any kind of common sense and wont realise, but when he does see it, there will be a momentary pause for reflection, that awful but infectious laugh, then he'll ponder again and have to respond to someones crazy ass reply pmsl

 

See you at the Brum concert, right up the fookin front.....well you probably wont, but these things are said ay lol

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