Moss Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 have a close listen... i'll give you a time if you cant find anything EDIT: first word.... paradise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic. Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 have a close listen... i'll give you a time if you cant find anything EDIT: first word.... paradise Yeah I don't see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moss Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 there's plenty of moments where you clearly hear it picking up his vocals... on ooohh sounds it's clearer, and when changing from one note to another, you hear 'steps' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 there's plenty of moments where you clearly hear it picking up his vocals... on ooohh sounds it's clearer, and when changing from one note to another, you hear 'steps' I can only hear things like that in the first verse. Can't see why they'd autotune that and not the rest, everything else sounds like normal Matt to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moss Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 I can only hear things like that in the first verse. Can't see why they'd autotune that and not the rest, everything else sounds like normal Matt to me. strange right? oh well, i just lost respect... the industry is too corrupted nowadays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 there's plenty of moments where you clearly hear it picking up his vocals... on ooohh sounds it's clearer, and when changing from one note to another, you hear 'steps' I remember noticing the steps. But I'm still skeptical as to whether it's enough to consider it autotune. strange right? oh well, i just lost respect... the industry is too corrupted nowadays Losing respect for what would be a very slight addition (granted it would make me disappointed too) is a bit much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zomuse Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Yeah I don't see it Maybe it's because I'm inexperienced but I don't see it either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moss Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 I remember noticing the steps. But I'm still skeptical as to whether it's enough to consider it autotune. it's autotune, i'm familiar with it being on a music tech degree Losing respect for what would be a very slight addition (granted it would make me disappointed too) is a bit much. there's a lot more than this that makes me lose respect, but these small things are signs of intergrity, and when they digital correct the human voice it's a bit of a downer... the autotune is most of the way through too... it's harder and harder to hear nowadays because just about every bit of music in the minastream has it, so we become conditioned to not noticing it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moss Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Maybe it's because I'm inexperienced but I don't see it either hey, try this he has it on hear, and the weird thing is that Buble's voice is amazing, he doesnt need it, but listen to other live versions and you hear how the 'real' quality of his voice disappears under the autotuner like wrapped in plastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 it's autotune, i'm familiar with it being on a music tech degree I listened to the pro-shot and a fan recording back and forth, and I can hear the effects. It only seems to make a noticeable difference in the first verse though, after that it seems there's more dips in his voice allowed. Or maybe he's on pitch more and so the correction doesn't do much changes. I do believe it is there though now, having checked myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moss Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 I listened to the pro-shot and a fan recording back and forth, and I can hear the effects. It only seems to make a noticeable difference in the first verse though, after that it seems there's more dips in his voice allowed. Or maybe he's on pitch more and so the correction doesn't do much changes. I do believe it is there though now, having checked myself well yeah, he'll sing better as he gets through the song (like any singer) this means the tuner doesnt have to 'work as hard'....but you can still hear it work right through the song, it's a shame really...maybe not a muse decision, but it's their website and their christmas present... EDIT: could be switched on and off for different parts of the track.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeboer01 Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 well yeah, he'll sing better as he gets through the song (like any singer) this means the tuner doesnt have to 'work as hard'....but you can still hear it work right through the song, it's a shame really...maybe not a muse decision, but it's their website and their christmas present... EDIT: could be switched on and off for different parts of the track.. I dunno. Would you actually have the onions to say to Matt's face -- "Dude! Sweet utilization of autotune on the RAH Meglomania release! Effing cool!" I may be disillusioned, but I would think using such effects would cement the end of Muse as we know it. I thought Muse liked the quirky fluctuations in sound that come with humans performing music? No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moss Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 I dunno. Would you actually have the onions to say to Matt's face -- "Dude! Sweet utilization of autotune on the RAH Meglomania release! Effing cool!" I may be disillusioned, but I would think using such effects would cement the end of Muse as we know it. I thought Muse liked the quirky fluctuations in sound that come with humans performing music? No? i dont think it's good to use autotune at all! but they've used it, whether it's his decision or not, its on that mp4 file christmas present i'm not saying that the autotune is live either... post produciton is most probable, though check out that Buble video, i think THAT's live i think if there's any disillusion, it is that muse are 'too' integral to ever have autotune, there's some across the newer albums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeboer01 Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 i dont think it's good to use autotune at all! but they've used it, whether it's his decision or not, its on that mp4 file christmas present i'm not saying that the autotune is live either... post produciton is most probable, though check out that Buble video, i think THAT's live How would one determine if it's being used live? Seriously -- I'm not being sarcastic! How can you tell? i think if there's any disillusion, it is that muse are 'too' integral to ever have autotune, there's some across the newer albums *SIGH* Well, that's too bad if you're right. From what I understand, the band holds 100% artistic rights to their music. If they don't want it messed with, nobody can override that decision. I just hope that they also realize that people "in the know" will easily be able to determine when they've used such "cheating" techniques. Carry on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moss Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 How would one determine if it's being used live? Seriously -- I'm not being sarcastic! How can you tell? well...as far as i can hear, there's the sound of the autotune 'tone' in the sound of the 'room' he's playing in... either that or it's a really clever mix with post production effects to make it sound natural...but :/ i think, rather than cheating, they are covering themselves from the opinions of people feeling 'they sound out of tune sometimes so i dont want to hear it'..... it's become like an instinct, because so much we hear in commercial environments is autotuned, live vocals just sound 'bad' to most ears it pains me as much of the next guy, but there's autotune over the voice of matt, for whatever reason, from whoevers choice :S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zomuse Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 hey, try this he has it on hear, and the weird thing is that Buble's voice is amazing, he doesnt need it, but listen to other live versions and you hear how the 'real' quality of his voice disappears under the autotuner like wrapped in plastic Woah it's quite prominent there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 I don't think they use it live. I've heard Matt be out of tune live plenty of times and he still sounds natural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moss Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 I don't think they use it live. I've heard Matt be out of tune live plenty of times. yeah, have you noticed they use a lot of trigger drums sounds/samples? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 yeah, have you noticed they use a lot of trigger drums sounds/samples? No...? By samples do you mean Morgan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moss Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 No...? By samples do you mean Morgan? no no, i mean, the drum kit sound is from a computer (90% sure) i noticed it most when i heard the twilight track, and it all sounded 'too' similar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 no no, i mean, the drum kit sound is from a computer (90% sure) i noticed it most when i heard the twilight track, and it all sounded 'too' similar There are three twilight tracks. I assume you mean Supermassive Black Hole. In which case, yes it was probably done with an electric drum kit. Is there something wrong with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeboer01 Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 i think, rather than cheating, they are covering themselves from the opinions of people feeling 'they sound out of tune sometimes so i dont want to hear it'..... it's become like an instinct, because so much we hear in commercial environments is autotuned, live vocals just sound 'bad' to most ears. Well, all I can say is that I sure as fuck hope it doesn't become the "norm" with Muse. One of the things I've found to be so cool about them is their thick skin to criticism and unwavering self integrity. They are (were?) an inspiration to any and all crappy teenage bands to keep with it, not give in to criticism, and keep trying no matter what anyone says. Those 1994 videos of Muse looking and sounding like Nirvana are priceless and so.......confidence building! If Matt has started to believe he needs to sound "perfect", then me thinks he's been hanging out with the wrong crowd for too long. He needs to go have a visit with Lemmy -- right in L.A. -- and have his ass set straight!! :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moss Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 There are three twilight tracks. I assume you mean Supermassive Black Hole. In which case, yes it was probably done with an electric drum kit. Is there something wrong with that? no, i'm referring to neutron star... i think they took drum hits from the recording, and used trigger to reproduce the same sound, i went to wembley and it was crystal clear sounding, with such a great definition of sound, last time i heard that was radio1 tent at leeds/reading, watching pedulum again...triggered sample Well, all I can say is that I sure as fuck hope it doesn't become the "norm" with Muse. One of the things I've found to be so cool about them is their thick skin to criticism and unwavering self integrity. They are (were?) an inspiration to any and all crappy teenage bands to keep with it, not give in to criticism, and keep trying no matter what anyone says. Those 1994 videos of Muse looking and sounding like Nirvana are priceless and so.......confidence building! If Matt has started to believe he needs to sound "perfect", then me thinks he's been hanging out with the wrong crowd for too long. He needs to go have a visit with Lemmy -- right in L.A. -- and have his ass set straight!! :-D dude, IF that is the case, i couldnt agree with you more. and i totally agree with your view on how they've never cared about these things before... why do it now... all i can think is that they're making more and more commercially guided choices... but this is disappointing if true man, listening to new born at wretcher 2001, just no need for polishing music with digital tools... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 no no, i mean, the drum kit sound is from a computer (90% sure) i noticed it most when i heard the twilight track, and it all sounded 'too' similar Dom does use triggers. It's not sampled but he does have triggers on his kit which is how he gets some of the sounds like the echo on Exogenesis or the clapping effect on Starlight. If you hear songs like Ruled By Secrecy from KeyArena you can hear how different the drums sound for "normal" drum songs compared to older performances where it was more acoustic. I think NSC actually has electronic drums somewhere in the mix though in the style of Resistance. As for the autotune, if he is using it it's only in the post production. Matt does use effects live but I doubt it's any autotune. The way I found out there was some pitch correction in the pro-shot was by comparing it to an audience recording. It might be worth mentioning also that the idea that the band is trying to be perfect has been thrown out there. From the way Matt avoids hitting some difficult notes at times, to the lack of rare songs probably for fear of messing up, to how their songs are more produced (you said computer sounding for the drums) compared to Origin, where they would record an identical chorus again just to keep the more live feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeboer01 Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 It might be worth mentioning also that the idea that the band is trying to be perfect has been thrown out there. From the way Matt avoids hitting some difficult notes at times, to the lack of rare songs probably for fear of messing up, to how their songs are more produced (you said computer sounding for the drums) compared to Origin, where they would record an identical chorus again just to keep the more live feeling. I saw some interview at some point (both Matt & Dom were there) where Matt says he didn't want to do Exo Pt2 because it's "difficult" and he doesn't want to clam it up, but Exo Pt3 was easy -- but he thought it would be fucked up to do 1 & 3, but not 2. Dom actually said then and there that Matt shouldn't worry so much about little clams, as no one would likely notice, and if they did, they wouldn't care. Matt's just being insecure about it. Matt, if you're reading this, we don't give a flying fucktard about occasional "clams" FFS! It makes you human! ETA: I am female. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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