01FromFinland Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Am I really the only one who digs T2L? Like, again, it's far from the best stuff they've done but it's not complete garbage like people seem to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Yes, you're the only person who likes The 2nd Law. No other fans of it out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 but it's not complete garbage like people seem to say. nah it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black4bird Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 I wonder how native speakers of English deal with the lyrics sometimes. As a non-native speaker I find it easy to just ignore how bad certain lines sound (not the Rio one though), so maybe that makes Muse more easily enjoyable for us. English isn't my native language and it was still impossible for me to deal with the lyrics on Drones. OOS Absolution BHAH Showbizz TR/T2L Drones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartianSpaghettiRider Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Am I really the only one who digs T2L? Like, again, it's far from the best stuff they've done but it's not complete garbage like people seem to say. No, don't worry. I dig it, too. I'm very far from being a raging fan of it, bit I think it's bashed more then it deserves, considering it has a good bunch of underrated songs, like Explorers or Big Freeze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
static shadows Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 it has a good bunch of underrated songs, like Explorers or Big Freeze. They are probably my two least favourite album tracks across their entire discography. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MartianSpaghettiRider Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 (edited) They are probably my two least favourite album tracks across their entire discography. They're better than Psycho, IMO. Explorers has quite of a "magic" atmosphere despite of the hamfisted lyrics; Big Freeze has a lot of sway and energy for being a pop-rock song, and the lyrics aren't bad as many make them to be. Edited February 7, 2018 by MartianSpaghettiRider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 stellar clouds of g a s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartianSpaghettiRider Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 stellar clouds of g a s "Clouds of stellar gas" would be much better in fact, but c'mon, at least we know he isn't talking about... "beef". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01FromFinland Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 stellar clouds of g a s Sometimes I feel like people on this board get stuck too much on the lyrics. Like, come on, it's U2 as fuck, but the music is at least good. Okay, fine, now that we've gone this far, let me say this: Great songs on T2L: Animals Good songs on T2L: Supremacy, Panic Station, Survival, Big Freeze, Liquid State, T2L: Unsustainable OK songs on T2L: T2L: IS, Madness, Follow Me Fuck off: Prelude, Explorers, Save Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartianSpaghettiRider Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Sometimes I feel like people on this board get stuck too much on the lyrics. Like, come on, it's U2 as fuck, but the music is at least good. Okay, fine, now that we've gone this far, let me say this: Great songs on T2L: Animals Good songs on T2L: Supremacy, Panic Station, Survival, Big Freeze, Liquid State, T2L: Unsustainable OK songs on T2L: T2L: IS, Madness, Follow Me Fuck off: Prelude, Explorers, Save Me Poor Explorers and poor IS... Mine would go like this: Great: Panic Station, Animals, Big Freeze, Isolated System. Good: Supremacy, Madness, Prelude, Survival, Explorers, Unsustainable (this walks the line between good and great). OK: Follow Me, Save Me. So-so: Liquid State (good lyrics, but the song seems structurally half baked). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Amazing: Isolated System Great: Animals Good: Supremacy, Panic Station Decent/Okay: Follow Me, Survival, Explorers, Big Freeze Pretty bad: Madness, Save Me, Liquid State, Unsustainable But the biggest issue for me is that it just doesn't work as an album, which is very important to me. Muse can talk about the death of the album as much as they want, but I'm not interested in listening a random collection of songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartianSpaghettiRider Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 (edited) ORIGIN OF SYMMETRY Wonderful: NB, SD, MC, Megalomania. Great: Bliss, PIB, CE, Screenager. Good: Hyper Music, Darkshines, Feeling Good. ABSOLUTION Wonderful: SS, BAH, Hysteria. Great: AP, FAWY, TOADA, RBS. Good: TIRO, SFA, Blackout, Endlessly, TSP. BLACK HOLES & REVELATIONS Wonderful: Hoodoo, KOC. Great: TAB, SMBH, MOTP, Invincible, Assassin, COD. Good: Starlight, Soldier's Poem, Assassin. OK: Exo-Politics. THE RESISTANCE Wonderful: Exo2, Exo3. Great: Resistance, Undisclosed Desires, MK Ultra, IBTY, Exo1. Good: USOE, Guiding Light, US. OK: Uprising. DRONES Wonderful: DI, Reapers. Great: The Handler, Defector, Revolt, Drones. Good: Mercy, Aftermath, The Globalist. OK: Psycho. Edited February 7, 2018 by MartianSpaghettiRider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 (edited) Supremacy - 4/10 Madness - 6/10 Panic Station - 7/10 Survival - 5/10 Follow Me - 5/10 Animals - 7.5/10 Explorers - 4/10 Big Freeze - 2/10 Save Me - 3/10 Liquid State - 5.5/10 Unsustainable - 3/10 Isolated System - 8/10 Taken in combination w/ what Tjet said about it not working as an album. it's U2 as fuck, but the music is at least good. impossible combo (also I quoted the lyrics because their post literally brought them up) Edited February 7, 2018 by Jobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bohemian-Cygnus-Running-Out Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Great songs on T2L: Supremacy Madness Panic Station Prelude/Survival Animals Isolated System Good songs on T2L: Explorers (but this is the third time in a row they used that Keane melody, see Invincible and GL) Passable songs on T2L: Big Freeze Liquid State Save Me Unsustainable Would rather not hear again: Follow Me T2L has a lot of greats, but the lows are just as numerous. Certainly I can enjoy pretty much everything here, but to put it up against OoS or even BH&R, nah, it just doesn't meet the mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Little Animal Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 ORIGIN OF SYMMETRY Great: New Born, Bliss, Space Dementia, Hyper Music, Plug in Baby, Citizen Erased, Micro Cuts Good: Darkshines, Megalomania Ok: Screenager, Feeling Good ABSOLUTION Great: AP, SS, Hysteria, Blackout, RBS, Endlessly, Good: TIRO, B&H, ToaDA, Ok: SfA, TSP, FAWY BLACK HOLES & REVELATIONS Great: TaB, MoTP, Assassin, Hoodoo, KOC. Good: Starlight, SMBH, Soldier's Poem, CoD, Ok: Invincible, Exo-Politics, SHOWBIZ Great: Sunburn, Muscle Museum, Falling Down, Cave, Showbiz Good: Fillip, Uno, Hate This and i'll Love You Ok: Escape Nope: Sober, Overdue T2L Great: Animals, IS Good: Panic Station, Follow Me, Liquid Sate, Uns Ok: Supremacy, Madness, Survival, Save Me Nope: Explorers, Big Freeze THE RESISTANCE Great: Undisclosed Desires, Exo 1-2-3 Good: Uprising, MK Ultra, IBTY Ok: USoE, US Nope: Resistance, Guiding Light DRONES Great: Reapers, The Handler Good: Psycho, Drones Ok: Dead Inside, Defector, The Globalist Nope: Mercy, Aftermath, Revolt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 (edited) Showbiz: Great: Showbiz, Sunburn, HTAILY, Good: Cave, Muscle Museum, Falling Down Ok/Bad: The rest OoS: Great: Micro Cuts, Bliss, Space Dementia, Darkshines, Citizen Erased, Hyper Music Good: New Born, Megalomania, Plug In Baby Ok: Screenager, Feeling Good Absolution: Great: SS, Endlessly, B&H, Blackout, RBS, FAWY Good: Hysteria, TIRO, TOADA Ok: SFA, AP, TSP BH&R: Great: MOTP, TaB, KoC, CoD, SMBH, Hoodoo Good: Starlight, Soldier's Poem, Invincible Ok: Exo-Politics, Assassin TR: Great: Redemption, Undisclosed Desires, Cross-Pollination Good: Overture, I Belong To You, Unnatural Selection Ok: MK Ultra, Resistance, Uprising, Bad: USoE, Guiding Light Drones: Great: The Handler, Reapers, Dead Inside Good: Defector Ok: Psycho, The Globalist Bad: Drones, Revolt, Aftermath, Mercy Edit: Just realised that OoS, Abso and BH&R all had six great songs, three good songs and the rest were ok. Edited February 7, 2018 by Tjet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Ok: Screenager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01FromFinland Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Well I guess I started it so let me hop on the train: Showbiz: Great: Showbiz, MM, Sunburn Good: Fillip, Cave, HTAILY, SS Meh: The rest OoS: Great: Space Dementia, Micro Cuts, Bliss, Hyper Music, Darkshines, Citizen Erased (Futurism) Good: PiB, New Born, Megalomania Meh: Screenager, FG Abso: Great: AP, TIRO, SS, Hysteria, B&H, TSP, Endlessly (Fury) Good: SFA, ToaDA, RBS Meh: FAwY, Blackout, BHAR: Great: TaB, Knights, Assassin, MoTP, SMBH, Exo-Politics, CoD (Glorious) Good: Hoodoo, Starlight, Invincible Bad: SP TR: Great: Uprising, Unnatural Selection, MKU, IBtY, Exo 1-3 Good: UD, Resistance Bad: GL Meh: USE Drones: Great: The Handler, Dead Inside Good: Reapers, Psycho, Defector, The Globalist, Mercy Meh: Aftermath, Drones Bad: Revolt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bohemian-Cygnus-Running-Out Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 My last ranking before hearing ST was: TR OoS Drones BH&R Abso T2L Showbiz I’m quite certain I prefer ST to T2L...but idk how much farther it goes. I’ve just recently fallen back in love with Abso and BH&R, and haven’t listened to Drones in quite a while...so I’m just not sure how I feel anymore. One thing’s certain though. ST is a relief. I may love Drones and enjoy T2L, but they both had some obvious faults that made me wonder if Muse were running out of steam. No such problem with ST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tocaraca Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 In terms of flow, Drones is my favorite, with The Resistance a close second, and Origin of Symmetry the next best. Drones has such great transitions between songs. The Handler all the way to the ending track, Drones, is all connected. I love it. The Resistance has an amazing flow as well, Uprising --> Resistance is great as is USoE --> Guiding Light, and of course the full Exogenesis Symphony. I Belong to You works well before Exogenesis too. Origin of Symmetry has New Born --> Bliss which isn't actually connected but it still works very well, as does Bliss --> Space Dementia --> Hyper Music. Ofc Hyper Music flows directly into Plug In Baby, and Citizen Erased flows directly into Micro Cuts, which are amazing parts. Feeling Good is terrible in between Dark Shines and Megalomania and works better after Micro Cuts IMO (which is what it's like in the original press release, and was like on Spotify until it was edited a couple weeks ago), although still not great, but that's automatically a better placing coz Feeling Good --> Screenager is great. As is Screenager --> Dark Shines --> Megalomania. But if we're not looking at flow, then I agree that either Absolution or Black Holes and Revelations are the best because of the best individual songs. Showbiz is just kinda in the middle, it's got amazing individual songs however not quite as great as Abso and BHaR, and it has a great flow, but not quite as great as OoS, TR, or Drones. My personal favorite is The Resistance, love every song on it and the cohesion is impeccable. Exogenesis: Symphony is the most epic closer ever and I've never got bored of Uprising or any of the other songs. And shut up about Guiding Light it's perfect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Born Lee Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Well I guess I started it so let me hop on the train: I like how you skipped T2L completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Museings Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) Black Holes Absolution, 2nd Law, Resistance equal first. Impossible task, as with ranking the best REM or U2 albums. Top class art is beyond rank.(not in the smelly sense, with the exception of Tracy Emins bed). Edited November 12, 2018 by Museings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopix Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 stellar clouds of g a s Only 10 year-olds have an issue with that line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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