Nigel_Tufnel Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 (edited) It's too bad Muse haven't realised that, if their fans wanted them to sound like Coldplay, they would have just been Coldplay fans all along. Not to dismiss Coldplay nor their fans but it's hard to imagine that that is what Muse fans are really looking for. Just like Coldplay fans might be a little concerned if Chris Martin and Co. launched into a spontaneous cover of Micro Cuts between Green Eyes and Yellow. Edited June 30, 2017 by Nigel_Tufnel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectrum IV Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 (edited) It's too bad Muse haven't realised that, if their fans wanted them to sound like Coldplay, they would have just been Coldplay fans all along. No, I'm tired of this argument. Muse have demonstrated many times that they are fully aware of what their hardcore fanbase wants them to sound like. They just aren't terribly interested in being that band anymore. I mean, Coldplay did pretty much the same thing, building an alternative sound before gradually switching to pop, but they're so far down the road of zero fucks given that the whingers have long since moved on. Muse on the other hand keep pandering to the diehards on occasion, creating this vicious cycle of hope-disappointment which has been going on for so many years that it's become sad to watch. The band are even trolling people now who don't get the hint. Edited June 29, 2017 by Espectro Cuatro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Thing is, Muse keep trying to make the switch to pop but then complain when people in the crowd at shows only know the pop and don't mosh or aren't active enough. It's like even they don't know what they want. I will say though that, from the admittedly little I've seen so far, this tour seems to be the first where Matt actually looks pretty content and comfortable with the more laid-back, casual pop crowds so maybe the full switch is finally around the corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartianSpaghettiRider Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Thing is, Muse keep trying to make the switch to pop but then complain when people in the crowd at shows only know the pop and don't mosh or aren't active enough. It's like even they don't know what they want. I will say though that, from the admittedly little I've seen so far, this tour seems to be the first where Matt actually looks pretty content and comfortable with the more laid-back, casual pop crowds so maybe the full switch is finally around the corner. I don't think they'll switch totally to pop anytime soon. Not with the next album, at least, which they've claimed it may be diverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forevermusic Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Full evidence of what direction this new album may end up in may well come with the next song tbf. Although it may well be this staggered writing/release lends itself more easily to a sonically diverse routine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunge Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 I've decided this is dangerously close to Muse's worst song ever. It is quite simply; shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel_Tufnel Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 (edited) No, I'm tired of this argument. Muse have demonstrated many times that they are fully aware of what their hardcore fanbase wants them to sound like. They just aren't terribly interested in being that band anymore. I mean, Coldplay did pretty much the same thing, building an alternative sound before gradually switching to pop, but they're so far down the road of zero fucks given that the whingers have long since moved on. Muse on the other hand keep pandering to the diehards on occasion, creating this vicious cycle of hope-disappointment which has been going on for so many years that it's become sad to watch. The band are even trolling people now who don't get the hint. You make some decent points but I don't fully buy the argument that Coldplay were ever very alternative. [Whatever alternative actually means] When they introduced themselves to the world with a song like "Yellow", I wouldn't say that they had much of a transition to make for a pop sound. IMO Coldplay have pretty much always been a pop/rock band. Edited June 30, 2017 by Nigel_Tufnel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel_Tufnel Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 I don't think they'll switch totally to pop anytime soon. Not with the next album, at least, which they've claimed it may be diverse. The 2nd Law was diverse. While I do like the album overall, it does have a "throw everything at the wall and see what sticks" feel. And one touring cycle later, Muse have already abandoned the entire album except for Madness. Like Jobby said, one has to wonder if the band really knows how they want to sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forevermusic Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 Interview in the new Q magazine that's been put on Twitter mentions that 2 other new ones are done. One is a heavy prog-rock song and one is a track with an acoustic that Dom said had a Simon and Garfunkel vibe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 Remember he said "quite heavy" and "quite prog". Gotta cool down that hype early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forevermusic Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 Remember he said "quite heavy" and "quite prog". Gotta cool down that hype early. Yeah. True. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 If Matt replaces "clown" with "Nazi cunt" live I promise I'll stop bagging on this song... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tocaraca Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 I like this song. The climax with the electric guitar is epic. Sounds a lot like Madness. Muse is always good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek30 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Dig dowwwnnnnnn dig dowwnnnnnnn dig dowwwwwnnnnnnn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Marginally related I suppose because they're touring together, but I'm rather surprised how much 30STM's new single reminds me of Dig Down. Poppy, repetitious, vague/shallow political lyrics, and a full on gospel chorus. Possibly more listenable, still, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s3ker Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 (edited) As diverse as Muse's material has become over the years...there hasn't really ever been a song I actually disliked. Something about their overall delivery has always sat on the right side, with me. Not this though. It just doesn't do anything for me, really. Sounds like a song that should've been left forgotten deep in some hard drive. The worst offender, personally, would be how their idea of development on the second verse is made up of some incredibly generic guitar arpeggio and cheap sounding staccato strings... It just seems very half harsed, which is something I've never felt Muse had done. Despite how people felt towards their different experiments, I've always appreciated their unrelenting attention to instrumentation. I always felt like the band had a very personal way of filling up the sonic spectrum of their music, but this is just not the case. Also vocal wise, the metrics chosen for the words seem so uninspired and like no second thought has been put into them: the beat is very stale which means as a listener you kinda depend on the rythmical nuances of the vocals to groove around the strong beats. But thats just not there. To seal the deal, the pulsating synth bass upon which the whole tune is built on sounded dated by the time the song came out, I can't imagine how that will feel in a couple years*. Overall a truly disposable single. Maybe this was just something they quickly put together to kick off the U.S tour with? Heh. Seriously surprised that the song didn't grow one bit on me, which is very unusual with me for Muse tracks. Edited August 24, 2017 by s3ker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartianSpaghettiRider Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 As diverse as Muse's material has become over the years...there hasn't really ever been a song I actually disliked. Something about their overall delivery has always sat on the right side, with me. Not this though. It just doesn't do anything for me, really. Sounds like a song that should've been left forgotten deep in some hard drive. The worst offender, personally, would be how their idea of development on the second verse is made up of some incredibly generic guitar arpeggio and cheap sounding staccato strings... It just seems very half harsed, which is something I've never felt Muse had done. Despite how people felt towards their different experiments, I've always appreciated their unrelenting attention to instrumentation. I always felt like the band had a very personal way of filling up the sonic spectrum of their music, but this is just not the case. Also vocal wise, the metrics chosen for the words seem so uninspired and like no second thought has been put into them: the beat is very stale which means as a listener you kinda depend on the rythmical nuances of the vocals to groove around the strong beats. But thats just not there. To seal the deal, the pulsating synth bass upon which the whole tune is built on sounded dated by the time the song came out, I can't imagine how that will feel in a couple synths. Overall a truly disposable single. Maybe this was just something they quickly put together to kick off the U.S tour with? Heh. Seriously surprised that the song didn't grow one bit on me, which is very unusual with me for Muse tracks. Maybe it's indeed how you put it: just a throwaway single released for the sake of having something new to offer while touring again. I actually enjoy it, perhaps more then I've thought I would, but perhaps it might have been better received if it wasn't an official single forma a future project, maybe presented as a collateral b-side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 Part of me actually wouldn't be surprised if they end up leaving Dig Down off when they eventually get round to doing LP8. They've had a history of falling out of favour with songs written/played that far in advance of putting together an album, and it's obvs been received v poorly. With the 'singles release method' thing looking increasingly up in the air, it could easily just end up left as another between-albums standalone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumpypotato Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Marginally related I suppose because they're touring together, but I'm rather surprised how much 30STM's new single reminds me of Dig Down. Poppy, repetitious, vague/shallow political lyrics, and a full on gospel chorus. Possibly more listenable, still, though. I dunno. They're both pretty terrible, but at least Dig Down makes me chuckle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Little Animal Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Part of me actually wouldn't be surprised if they end up leaving Dig Down off when they eventually get round to doing LP8. They've had a history of falling out of favour with songs written/played that far in advance of putting together an album, and it's obvs been received v poorly. With the 'singles release method' thing looking increasingly up in the air, it could easily just end up left as another between-albums standalone. Yeah, I'd be surprised if it showed up on the album. Everyone would just skip it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Little Animal Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Poppy, repetitious, vague/shallow political lyrics, and a full on gospel chorus. Just tried a listen. I can't handle this kind of music. Lots of oooh-oh and same vocals and beats as everything else on the radio. And the lyrics pretend to say a lot without actually saying anything. Dig Down is shit, but at least there aren't a hundred other songs like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemsy Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 haha. Now I can say it's just as dull live... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hipbones Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Absolute dog shit. Opened the Belfast gig and totally killed the mood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumpypotato Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Why would you open with something like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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