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GUAF expectations are now so low that it can only be better than expected.

 

To be honest, though, that review is quite biased, because the reviewer doesn't hide the fact they're an ex-fan of the band.

That doesn't make it very objective to me; it's like the opposite case in which a fanboy fawns over his favourite band's new opus and deems it "da best mastapiece evahh!!1".

 

EDIT: Also, I know they make a good amount of positive points in favour of the album, but still, when you're attached to a certain, ideal image you have of a band that is attuned with your personal tastes is difficult to be the most objective as you can.

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To be honest, though, that review is quite biased, because the reviewer doesn't hide the fact they're an ex-fan of the band.

That doesn't make it very objective to me; it's like the opposite case in which a fanboy fawns over his favourite band's new opus.

 

That’s why I’m mildly optimistic that it won’t be as bad a the reviews suggest.

 

We’ll see.

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GUAF expectations are now so low that it can only be better than expected.

The degree to which critics are underselling GUAF has me more excited for it than most of the other songs. And as an adamant Big Freeze/Revolt fan, I foresee this being one of those low-key favorites that I gang up on publicly but also play at full volume in my car after getting yelled at at work.

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I miss the times when we used to hate on Guiding Light. Looking back now, it's actually a pretty solid tune.

 

Invincible was the one that got all the hate but nowadays seems a solid tune

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The Guiding Light hate never made sense. My only gripe with TR as a whole was the mixing and mastering could've been done better.

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not that it really phases muse fans, but I have a feeling this will be their most poorly received album yet. not saying that’s necessarily an indication of quality, but reception seems especially mediocre this time around

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To be honest, though, that review is quite biased, because the reviewer doesn't hide the fact they're an ex-fan of the band.

That doesn't make it very objective to me; it's like the opposite case in which a fanboy fawns over his favourite band's new opus and deems it "da best mastapiece evahh!!1".

 

EDIT: Also, I know they make a good amount of positive points in favour of the album, but still, when you're attached to a certain, ideal image you have of a band that is attuned with your personal tastes is difficult to be the most objective as you can.

 

That’s exactly the kind of person I want giving me their opinion on a new muse album. Someone who likes them during OoS and Abso glory.

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not that it really phases muse fans, but I have a feeling this will be their most poorly received album yet. not saying that’s necessarily an indication of quality, but reception seems especially mediocre this time around

I think you might be right. Which is a shame. We haven't heard the entire album yet but it certainly SEEMS like a bit of a course correction compared to the last few records.

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To be honest, though, that review is quite biased, because the reviewer doesn't hide the fact they're an ex-fan of the band.

That doesn't make it very objective to me; it's like the opposite case in which a fanboy fawns over his favourite band's new opus and deems it "da best mastapiece evahh!!1".

 

EDIT: Also, I know they make a good amount of positive points in favour of the album, but still, when you're attached to a certain, ideal image you have of a band that is attuned with your personal tastes is difficult to be the most objective as you can.

All reviews are biased. They’re opinions.

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not that it really phases muse fans, but I have a feeling this will be their most poorly received album yet. not saying that’s necessarily an indication of quality, but reception seems especially mediocre this time around

 

Most than anything else I don't see much hype/anticipation around. It's mostly people bitching (Reddit) and you guys here... but there are a lot of younger fans who seem to appreciate their most recent output. I'm trying to avoid reading reviews because so far there hasn't been a really positive one, and all the reviewers seems to agree on one thing "hardcore fans will probably not like it". I'm a hardcore fan myself, I've been following Muse since 2008, and while I must admit that songs like Dig Down and Something Human are not exactly my cup of tea, I still liked The Darkside and Pressure quite a lot. Propaganda sounds promising, too. I've got nothing againt pop music or experimentation, but most of their recent stuff just didn't click with me and that's okay.

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Something Human is the minimal pop song on this album. Dig Down is a mistake. Most old fans by now welcome inspired pop experimentation but not pedestrian and derivative entries in their discography like DD

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Really expected there would be a leak today :erm: kinda awkwardly sitting around pondering another day of hyping for this. I'm mainly excited for Algorithm and The Void and not holding out much hope for everything else but will be looking out for Propaganda too and am faintly gruesomely, masochistically interested in what Get Up and Fight is going to sound like

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Really expected there would be a leak today :erm:

 

Last 2 leaked late at night/early hours of the morning iirc

 

THERES STILL TIME

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Last 2 leaked late at night/early hours of the morning iirc

 

THERES STILL TIME

 

Well yeah, lets not forget that America is still a thing. Its 430pm central time here, 230 in LA. Most stores receive shipments on monday or tuesday I believe so its not impossible for it to happen tonight or tomorrow.

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One reason I’m feeling ok about this album is that they decided to fully move forward in a direction they wanted to go in without compromises, and that they all appear to be very happy with that decision.

 

If that makes me like the music is a separate issue, but despite the music being more ‘mainstream’ (for lack of a better word) sounding, I don’t think it’s fan service or selling out this time around.

 

That said, I only concluded that after listening them talk about it, not so much after listening to the songs so far.

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That’s exactly the kind of person I want giving me their opinion on a new muse album. Someone who likes them during OoS and Abso glory.

 

All reviews are biased. They’re opinions.

 

 

No thanks, I'd rather have a 5/10 review from someone who was never a fan as it recently happened with that German site, instead of hearing the same lamenting tirade from former acid fans going like: "Muse was better before in any case, this is rubbish because it's not what I exactly want from them, where are the guitars, where's Matt's blue hair, where are the shrooms, I want my OOS, I want my Abso, nyah nyah nyah", and make it pass as an objective critique. The moment you pour your beef for a band that in your mind "betrayed" you because they didn't abide to the ideal image you draw of them in the long distance, you aren't giving a critical review anymore. It becomes a personally biased opinion, which is "worse" than a simply biased opinion.

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Honestly, the only opinion that will matter to me in the end is mine :LOL:. I like listening to other people's opinion, and sometimes they make me notice some things, being good or bad, that I haven't noticed before, but that's about it.

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One reason I’m feeling ok about this album is that they decided to fully move forward in a direction they wanted to go in without compromises, and that they all appear to be very happy with that decision.

 

If that makes me like the music is a separate issue, but despite the music being more ‘mainstream’ (for lack of a better word) sounding, I don’t think it’s fan service or selling out this time around.

 

That said, I only concluded that after listening them talk about it, not so much after listening to the songs so far.

 

I agree, whereas T2L was a mish mash of all sorts, they've chosen a theme and at least seem to be making a coherent release

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No thanks, I'd rather have a 5/10 review from someone who was never a fan as it recently happened with that German site, instead of hearing the same lamenting tirade from former acid fans going like: "Muse was better before in any case, this is rubbish because it's not what I exactly want from them, where are the guitars, where's Matt's blue hair, where are the shrooms, I want my OOS, I want my Abso, nyah nyah nyah", and make it pass as an objective critique. The moment you pour your beef for a band that in your mind "betrayed" you because they didn't abide to the ideal image you draw of them in the long distance, you aren't giving a critical review anymore. It becomes a personally biased opinion, which is "worse" than a simply biased opinion.

What reviewer actually said that shit though? Reviews are based on perceived quality, not all that nonsense you just said.

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No thanks, I'd rather have a 5/10 review from someone who was never a fan as it recently happened with that German site, instead of hearing the same lamenting tirade from former acid fans going like: "Muse was better before in any case, this is rubbish because it's not what I exactly want from them, where are the guitars, where's Matt's blue hair, where are the shrooms, I want my OOS, I want my Abso, nyah nyah nyah", and make it pass as an objective critique. The moment you pour your beef for a band that in your mind "betrayed" you because they didn't abide to the ideal image you draw of them in the long distance, you aren't giving a critical review anymore. It becomes a personally biased opinion, which is "worse" than a simply biased opinion.

 

Imagine being this defensive over other people talking about a band you like

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I’d literally take a fecking voice memo recording of that vinyl someone got hold of

 

I’ll wait for quality, I just wanna get an idea for the tracks

 

Edit: though that talk of snippets early has made me think, do Apple not do those 30 second previews anymore? I seem to remember those always being a pre-leak morsel in the past

 

the only thing Muse reviews are good for are getting poorly translated descriptions of tracks

 

^

 

I feel this is the case for most music tbh, but particularly Muse for me

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I’d literally take a fecking voice memo recording of that vinyl someone got hold of

 

 

I commented the same thing on the original post of the person with the vinyl (Musers Facebook group), they didn’t seem to interested in doing that either

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