MartianSpaghettiRider Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 I know I might sound stupid, but... What's the big offense behind smoledman's comment (beside the usual trolling, I mean)? Because it totally flew over my head... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 (edited) For some reason everyone chose the TDS thread to do this but I’ll put my sum up/rank of the tracks so far here. Colour coded ‘cos # of >>>>s is, shall we say, vague. (Meh | Pretty good | Really good | Great) Pressure Thought Contagion The Dark Side Something Human Dig Down (Gospel) [i know it’s not the final version but it must be close] Dig Down This is why I said the album has potential to be my 3rd fave. Drones, Abso and Showbiz are all pretty close for that slot and they all have their big speedbumps (while generally being pretty solid and amazing at times) that ST hasn’t yet for me. No song I’m outright not into at all yet, multiple that I’m v into and we’ve still got my most anticipated songs (Algorithm, Blockades, alt. songs) to come. Plus the lead singles tend to end up more middle of the pack at best for me when the full album arrives, so if that happens here hoo boy. I know I might sound stupid, but... What's the big offense behind smoledman's comment (beside the usual trolling, I mean)? Because it totally flew over my head... I mean, unless I’m an idiot reading it wrong (and not that it deserves the attention), is it not pretty racist? Saying white artists can’t appeal to ‘urban demographics’ (i.e. implying non-white people) and that they have to ‘dumb down the songs’ to attempt to. Edited October 4, 2018 by Jobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 There's absolutely no way to read what he wrote in a non-racist manner. That's not trolling; that's just being a bigoted dick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Colour coded ‘cos # of >>>>s is, shall we say, vague. This is why you're my favorite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 This is why you're my favorite. You deserve the citation for that point since I mostly got it from you tbf tho I have always preferred colour coding anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonisdead Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 No one cares about album/single artwork anymore for the most part because everything's digital... Love these out of touch sweeping generalizations. I know I might sound stupid, but... What's the big offense behind smoledman's comment (beside the usual trolling, I mean)? Because it totally flew over my head... Not-so-thinly veiled racism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen_Eraser Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 There's absolutely no way to read what he wrote in a non-racist manner. That's not trolling; that's just being a bigoted dick. This. Although he could've said something like trying to appeal to the pop music crowd by dumbing down their songs (which they have been doing for years) without coming off racist as fuck. Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unidentifiable Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Tbf, there’s a generous way you can interpret smoledman’s comment whereby they’re not being racist, just implying Matt is. But let’s be honest, that’s not much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OriginOfAbso Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Tbf, there’s a generous way you can interpret smoledman’s comment whereby they’re not being racist, just implying Matt is. But let’s be honest, that’s not much better. Not really, because the words he used and how he said it is what makes it racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzthief Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 What’s urban demographics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonisdead Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 What’s urban demographics? Minorities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartianSpaghettiRider Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 (edited) I mean, unless I’m an idiot reading it wrong (and not that it deserves the attention), is it not pretty racist? Saying white artists can’t appeal to ‘urban demographics’ (i.e. implying non-white people) and that they have to ‘dumb down the songs’ to attempt to. Oh... oh! Yeah, I get it now, but I'll confess that "urban people" confused me a lot (I may have a good knowledge of English language, but some choice or slang words are still alien to me ). And yes, I agree that's messed up. Thanks to Jobby and everyone who "broke it to me"! EDIT: I deleted that stupid wide smiling face because it was quite inappropriate considering the arguement. Edited October 4, 2018 by MartianSpaghettiRider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Love these out of touch sweeping generalizations. Not-so-thinly veiled racism. There's some really great articles out there about how album art has changed from, well, art, to branding in the digital age, how it impacts the artists involved, etc. It's fascinating, but also rather soul crushing for some of the artists involved, and the loss of full album art as artistic expression. Then again, I'm old, and I also bemoan the loss of instruction manuals with video games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Love these out of touch sweeping generalizations. Of course it's not as extreme as "no one" cares, but the point certainly isn't out of touch. Loads of artists simply use the album artwork for the digital singles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonisdead Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Of course it's not as extreme as "no one" cares, but the point certainly isn't out of touch. Loads of artists simply use the album artwork for the digital singles. You’re definitely right. It’s just those generalizations affect people like Matt. Theres a band called Men I Trust that did an interview talking about how they put more effort into high quality singles rather than pumping out albums every year, and art definitely figures into that; also creates more buzz with more effort. Muse seems to have just gotten lazy by not doing single art for The Dark Side and Pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 The last two songs have been respectively for promoting the album release and then the tour so it's understandable to not portray it as a standalone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM220 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Been following Matt and the Instagram bot's conversations (he now follows them on Instagram) It seems that Space Dementia may be linked in with Algorithm, Matt quoting the line "H8 is the one for me" on the YouTube hunt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Honestly I feel like I’m missing out on something here by not having an Instagram but at the same time it’s still just not worth getting one so I’m left in this place where I can’t really get hyped by any of these updates ‘cos I don’t understand them but I can’t really dismiss them either, despite sounding weird af, for the same reason. I just want the song in my life now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM220 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 A lot of it goes on youtube, I will compile a list of YouTube videos that Matt has sent to them here. And on some of them he comments - his name is just "Matthew Bellamy" https://youtu.be/BOiVPTYCq2U Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozenbanana Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Loved the gospel version of DD. Feel like it and the impeding acoustic version of SH (that will hopefully get rid of the Imagine Dragons drums and that synth thing that starts the song), has raised the possibility of eventually constructing an at worst palatable - and probably full-on enjoyable - alternative version of this album Also I did an edit of Thought Contagion that cuts out the third verse and moves the pointless solo forwards so that horrible solo --> final chorus transition is removed. Also removed a chorus so the whole thing sounds less repetitive (I think). Link for anyone who's interested: https://instaud.io/2LcF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LewisF Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Still think that after the solo in TC they missed a big opportunity to make it massively heavy and loud for that final chorus and verse - instead of staying on the crash, Dom goes back to the toms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen_Eraser Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Minorities I mean we all know what he meant, and it wasn’t good. But if you want to get technical here, urban is an environment and by associating that with minorities you’re assuming minorities only live in the city. Which may also be racist lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 The quotes around "urban" said a lot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen_Eraser Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 The quotes around "urban" said a lot more. Right. Like I said we all know what he was implying. But I still like to look at things both ways and give the benefit of doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 "Urban" is always used by people who want to say "black people" and then be able to play the victim when people call them out as racist. Which they are. "Urban" implies not just cities, but "inner cities" which are traditionally viewed as being the ghettos and high crime areas. He knew exactly what he was saying, and it's despicable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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