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So, the positive Muse discussion thread! I'm torn whether to continue reading the other one. I already try to skip certain posts except for links because I'm fed up of all that negativity pouring out of them, but I don't want to miss the videos and such posted :LOL: We should create an automatic transfer service to here for links only... :LOL:

 

Montreux, well... I'm happy they showed they CAN still play these songs. I would have done a lot to get Hyper Music and others.

But y'know, I enjoyed my gig, I couldn't make this one, and even though we'll probably never see the recordings, I hope something good amateur will at least find it's way to us.

 

Claudia, you mean further (doesn't work like 'weit - weiter', it's far - further. But don't ask me why, I have no clue :chuckle: )

 

English logic is like Muse logic :noey:

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Oh the discussions I've had about farther and further. (I'm an editor, I'm not completely weird.) Where I work we use one for the concept of physical distance and the other for more ermmmmm "woolly" uses. Sorry, not got my books with me that I use to help me clarify my thought processes on this! :chuckle:

 

I love the Montreux setlist... I'm just pissed off I was going to go but decided to be sensible with my money :mad:

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Oops :chuckle::eek::$ this was the excitement... Thanx for clarifying!

 

Yeah, great idea! If the pessimistic posts are getting too much in the other threads, link yourself here and be happy again!

 

Peace & Love!

 

Lol...

 

Ps: I edited my post

That's fine, I wasn't sure if I should actually :chuckle:

 

Yeah I think the problem is if we don't look into the other thread, we'll miss some of the good links. So yeah, skim-reading. :rolleyes::LOL:

 

Talking of the other thread, one of their discussion points is basically whether musicians do what they do their way because they love it (=personal passion with a result others can listen to), or whether musicians/a band are a company who create a product which needs to be best suited to the customer's needs - which would mean they would have to start the process thinking what customers=fans want to hear. Which, writing songs, would be a disaster. We love being surprised, so we mustn't know what they're going to write (except maybe for weird hints that never lead us to where they're heading anyway), because they write something they think is way too ott and crazy and whatnot and we'll most of us love it because of that (and maybe despite ourselves!). Also, even more than that, their music is expression of themselves, their lives, their inspiration. If we want our needs to be fulfilled we can get that done ourselves. But if we listen to certain musicians' music, it's theirs, and we can take it or leave it.

 

Thinking about a tour, the view changes a little. There is a supposed discrepancy between writing such mad stuff and producing it, and then playing gigs that are less mad - though, do they see it that way? A lot of things these days are about show - I won't start listing things, I'd be quicker listing what isn't show - so their thoughts about 360° stage with projection curtains and drones is very much in line with crazy/ott when it comes to show! So whether they thought about the consumer/fan whilst designing it, the result is as if they did - just not in the way the rarity-lovers wanted. And when it comes to that, what's the proportion of those vs. the casuals? Of course pleasing everyone is nice, I just think a lot of the time people are predisposed to like things or not, whether they know it or not.

 

I remember being totally shocked at Loreley back at the time to see such a short "stadium" gig which had been so expensive, time-consuming to get to, and frustrated for it to have ended so soon, without explanation...

so I focused on the facts that I had enjoyed the gig very much, seen most of the songs I expected and wanted, enjoyed a beautiful location, survived the heat that day, gotten out of the area really quickly - a stroke of luck 95% of attendees did not have to that degree - and when I got back I tried to find out what the problem was, and it was not the band's fault so I was glad to not have condemned them previously! I wrote to the organisers to make sure they knew what they'd done was rubbish, and that was it.

 

Back on the topic of the other thread - I understand most of the complaints, but some are just turning in negative cycles deeper and deeper, and I'm fed up of it - hence trying to not read most of the negative stuff any more.

Glad to see someone's done that petition which is an active way of making things better or at least trying. If it gets us more (then no-more) rarities, at least something good has come out of that ugly spiral there.

 

English logic is like Muse logic :noey:

Well, at least we know where they get it from then! :ninja::LOL:

 

Oh the discussions I've had about farther and further. (I'm an editor, I'm not completely weird.) Where I work we use one for the concept of physical distance and the other for more ermmmmm "woolly" uses. Sorry, not got my books with me that I use to help me clarify my thought processes on this! :chuckle:

 

I love the Montreux setlist... I'm just pissed off I was going to go but decided to be sensible with my money :mad:

Oh don't worry, that's fine. I hate bad language too :chuckle:

I looked it up online and farther is the physical distance, further everything else as well but they are mostly interchangeable. So Claudia, if you're speaking of a real distance, it's farther, and it's figurative, further... :chuckle:

 

I was thinking of Montreux too, but I chose less distance and a better timing. Oh well...

 

 

Yay! :happy:

 

Still hoping for professional record... #soon :LOL:

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Tbh I'm surprised they even remembered they had made some of those songs. :LOL: All in all I believe that crazy setlist is a positive sign! Especially after Matt's tweets.

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I do read the other threads as well.. :p Musicians should have the freedom to create the music they like to create, this is not easy for young bands, sure, but Muse is an established band. And if they'd do a Hip Hop album next, hell why not? Not sure if I'd like it :LOL::p

 

Popmusic today is manufactured to please the most of people, that's why I don't like most of it, either everything sounds the same, or it was written/produced by the same people, I mean, this is boring. You need to filter out the good music. It's still there, but - in my opinion - not as much as it used to be. So muse are doing popsongs as well, but I still see them as a rock band. I like the diversity in their songs, not only the same ol' rock songs every album, but pop here and some funk there, some electro here and some classical stuff there. Find a band nowadays who can do this, and do it good.

 

Ok, enough praise now :))))

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Tbh I'm surprised they even remembered they had made some of those songs. :LOL: All in all I believe that crazy setlist is a positive sign! Especially after Matt's tweets.

Exactly :D:LOL:

 

I do read the other threads as well.. :p Musicians should have the freedom to create the music they like to create, this is not easy for young bands, sure, but Muse is an established band. And if they'd do a Hip Hop album next, hell why not? Not sure if I'd like it :LOL::p

 

Popmusic today is manufactured to please the most of people, that's why I don't like most of it, either everything sounds the same, or it was written/produced by the same people, I mean, this is boring. You need to filter out the good music. It's still there, but - in my opinion - not as much as it used to be. So muse are doing popsongs as well, but I still see them as a rock band. I like the diversity in their songs, not only the same ol' rock songs every album, but pop here and some funk there, some electro here and some classical stuff there. Find a band nowadays who can do this, and do it good.

 

Ok, enough praise now :))))

I never said or indicated you didn't read the other thread, I said I don't want to read most of it :LOL: and wondered whether any of you had the same thoughts.

Also, I didn't want to post what I did over there so I brought it here to discuss it in a nicer atmosphere.

 

Hm, I think in a way it's easiest for new bands - nobody has any expectations about them yet, so they can do what they want. Whilst at the same time, they might be under pressure to get a foot in the "market" and feel pressed to make something popular.

Other than that Muse should have it reasonably easy, they've done such weird things that basically anything goes, musically. I do hope they stay in rock/&pop generally though, anything else just isn't as energetic and great.

 

I agree with your comments about pop mostly. Tbh these days I'm rather lazy to listen to a lot of music and especially new stuff, I just don't have the time/energy for it. So I stick to those I know atm and otherwise listen to old rock and also pop. Or nothing :LOL:

 

I don't have any. Isn't that one of the b-sides impossible to get anywhere unless you by chance bought the single decades ago?

Edited by Matthijs

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I don't have any. Isn't that one of the b-sides impossible to get anywhere unless you by chance bought the single decades ago?

 

It's on Spotify.

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Exactly :D:LOL:

 

 

I never said or indicated you didn't read the other thread, I said I don't want to read most of it :LOL: and wondered whether any of you had the same thoughts.

Also, I didn't want to post what I did over there so I brought it here to discuss it in a nicer atmosphere.

 

Hm, I think in a way it's easiest for new bands - nobody has any expectations about them yet, so they can do what they want. Whilst at the same time, they might be under pressure to get a foot in the "market" and feel pressed to make something popular.

Other than that Muse should have it reasonably easy, they've done such weird things that basically anything goes, musically. I do hope they stay in rock/&pop generally though, anything else just isn't as energetic and great.

 

I agree with your comments about pop mostly. Tbh these days I'm rather lazy to listen to a lot of music and especially new stuff, I just don't have the time/energy for it. So I stick to those I know atm and otherwise listen to old rock and also pop. Or nothing :LOL:

 

 

 

I think it is harder for new bands, cause they have the pressure to find an audience, the record company (if they have one) might put pressure on them for making music which can be sold. Maybe I see this the wrong way, but this is my impression.

 

But I think Muse have pressure from the record company as well, not in making the music they want but in doing tours which attract many many people. So they do their hits on the big tours cause a lot know these songs. But for sure it wouldn't hurt any casual fan to get to hear songs they don't know, like I said before if they are really interested in the band (and enjoy the new songs) they will search for them, buy them. So it would be a win for the band as well, for the record company :rolleyes: as well. But to get this to their heads...

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Little tiny baby Matthew makes terrible things happen in my ... brain :O

 

;):stongue:

I lingered in PMT53 yesterday.... :$:eek::D:D a thread when you are down to cheer you up! :D

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I have one for you as well ;)

 

 

well, watch all you can find of Taratatata with Muse :D

 

:LOL::LOL::LOL:

 

the 'classical' versions of Muse songs that Matt doesn't recognise!

 

But that interviewer is so creepy, especially when asking Dom what kind of porn he likes!

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