crazybobbles Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Or wank over their cover of Starlight on the recorder and tin whistle? was that aimed at me? haha granted mine was a tin whistle cover of super massive blackhole sometimes you've got to look at what other boards are doing, are there any other forums that get into the whole love boat stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caff Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Well, other bands can go away as well If you like a band...go post on their board Or we could just have a general "other music" thread seeing as only about five bands get more than two pages of replies to them and the rest languish at the bottom of Other Bands until it's pruned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muttley Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Just saying that nothing needs to go because you can find millions of reasons why a section has to go but not a really important or relevant one besides the strain on Bertha and that's not even a really big reason for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiGjD Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 I can't help ut think some people are making a mountain out of a molehill here. So what some people choose to belong to seperate areas of the forums what is the problem with that? Forcing people to integrate by closing down sections of the forums may work for some but it is going to end up causing more friction. Leave things as they are, if people wish to associate themselves with specific groups thats their choice and it's the way things are. All very well and good thinking things will be better if people are all crammed together then people are not going to get along. In conclusion, leave things as they are and let people be as I have seen this all before on other forums, don't go shaking things up when there is absolutely no reason to do so! I don't post often but some of the comments made really riled me as some people are so rediculously pedantic it is a joke. If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen chaps thats the way it is like it or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caff Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 But the strain IS a reason to try and evaluate the reasons for keeping an area alive. And Other Bands is way more useful the Love Boat. Anyway LB isn't going anywhere for now, no matter how paranoid people are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muttley Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 But the strain IS a reason to try and evaluate the reasons for keeping an area alive. And Other Bands is way more useful the Love Boat. Anyway LB isn't going anywhere for now, no matter how paranoid people are. Haha, I know but it's still not a nice thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemsy Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 I can't help ut think some people are making a mountain out of a molehill here. So what some people choose to belong to seperate areas of the forums what is the problem with that? Forcing people to integrate by closing down sections of the forums may work for some but it is going to end up causing more friction. Leave things as they are, if people wish to associate themselves with specific groups thats their choice and it's the way things are. All very well and good thinking things will be better if people are all crammed together then people are not going to get along. In conclusion, leave things as they are and let people be as I have seen this all before on other forums, don't go shaking things up when there is absolutely no reason to do so! I don't post often but some of the comments made really riled me as some people are so rediculously pedantic it is a joke. If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen chaps thats the way it is like it or not Not suggesting that we close everything down to force people to integrate, not at all. The Love Boat has its own, numerous purposes and I've nothing against it staying personally. But. It was never meant to be a place where cliques of people can stick to chat amongst themselves and be snobby about not using other areas. Or like, have threads on a 'theme' like 'the orgy group' or what have you. That's what BANTER is for, threads for silly groups and cliques. When you start doing that in separate forums it's like we have Muse, Not Muse, and A Place for Musers to Bitch About Possibly Not Being Accepted by Those Who Don't Like Muse. Idunno. I don't even care that much. *goes back to Other Bands* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Cherry Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Haven't read everything that's been said to date, but a few things that sprung to mind (OK, bloody loads:LOL:) from reading other's posts on the subject of getting shot of the loveboats.... The loveboat should be redundant now because you all have profile messaging so it's just unneeded server load and server load makes Bertha cry. I don't quite remember the events with the thread locking the way you do, I just remember people whinging that they couldn't talk to their six other friends in the threads and saying they couldn't possibly participate in the banter thread. Isn't it possible to get a different server instead? I don't know that much about computers and stuff, but wouldn't that be a more logical solution and less upsetting for a lot of people who like using loveboats? People whinge when threads like the Orgy thread disappear is because the solution offered is always 'just use banter instead'. Now whatever you're feelings about banter are, why do people have to use it if they don't want to? Do other chatting on threads really do any harm? Yes, they may be cliquey, but as the old cliche goes, the same could be said of banter.... The profile messages are just as workable as the loveboat. I second Static on this one, they don't work quite so well, they're fine for you to chat to one other person, but they aren't as easy to use for talking to multiple people. If they became a bit more user friendly they might work, but at present, they're not really a comfortable solution and the lack of people really using them speaks volumes. It's an area where multiple people talk together. Like the Banter thread but even larger, far more friendly (without the politics or elitism) and far more diverse. It also acts as an important social help area, enabling people to communicate with friends they have made on here without being ignored or ridiculed and enabling them to work through problems - as well of course the more usual function of just communicating with people on here with more ease and personalisation than can be found in a thread like banter. Ultimately people want to talk to certain people/groups on the board that they know, that they are friends with or will become friends with over time because the current format is able to support this. Having met loads of really great people this way on the board I'd be really sad to see fewer opportunities to meet/talk to people outside banter (as a forum) and loveboats. To me, this is one of the most postive things about the board and were it to be restricted to threads about Muse, and a general, free for all area like the banter thread, I bet loads of people would lose heart and not come here anymore. I know I'd not bother as much as I do presently. Yeah I know! But after 2 years it's the only area that actually makes me want to keep coming to this board. But as I keep pointing out, the user profiles could not possibly be expected to perform the same function. And as it is the second biggest section of the board I hardly see how it is the most vulnerable. I'd rather just have the 5 minutes of crash a week to be honest. You could even just delete all the threads that say haven't been active for 6 months or more. That would save a huge amount of space. Sounds like a good idea- get rid of threads/user accounts or whatever over a year or however long dormant to speed things up/put less strain on the server. Getting rid of the second most used area of a site seems drastic and alienating. As for user profiles- was there much discussion about these before they turned up? Was there demand for them? I'm just curious, cos one day they just seemed to appear. The entire thing just sounds like a cry that "whatever makes life even quicker and easier for the Banter Thread is more important than the rest of the board". It does feel that way at times, sorry for saying it, but it does.... I still can't believe there's still this 'banter is elite and mean' attitude around this place. Sadly I don't think it's a point of view that will go away, and for that reason, re-routing stuff to the banter thread is never going to be totally effective as lots of boardies just wont go there on priciple or because they are frightened of posting in there less they get the piss ripped or totally ignored. Getting ignored in banter happens because it moves fast, there's often multiple conversations going on at once, it's just part of the nature of the beast. That's all fine for those who are cool with that, but there should be areas on the board for those who don't want this too. Each to his own and all that... I dunno why you can't just have your group conversations in the Banter area, you can still talk amongst yourselves, seeing as you are bantering, and bantering is what Banter's for. And it's not like it's just one conversation and no-one else can join in. When I mention stuff about my dogs in the Banter thread, everyone who doesn't give a toss about dogs just talks about something else. They don't run to the Loveboat and have their own private discussion. I do think it's a little rude. Again, it's that thing in the banter thread where you can post away to your heart's content and no one acknowledges you, especially if the others there don't know you at all, they'll be less likely to respond to someone they know nothing about than someone they're matey with. The Banter thread doesn't really work for people who are shy or for some finding their way around the board if they're new. Talking to your mates in there only works if they're on at the same time as you are. The beauty of other threads is that you can have a conversation with someone over a couple of days sometimes! Something that the banter thread format doesn't really support. Also if you have some beef with someone on the board, surely everyone going to the same place to talk is likely to lead to more beef or put people off posting altogether if they don't want further hassle. Some people find that element of the board really distressing and getting more people together in the same place could aggravate that. There is a perception that the banter thread is technically a big fuck off loveboat in itself for those who use it and 'outsiders' to it find it as pointless, alien and self congratulationary as loveboats are seen by others. I do get the point that the mods are making and my comments/thoughts are just that, I'm in no way having a go at anyone, I just wanted to have the opportunity to comment and give feedback really. I understand the reasons for considering getting rid of loveboats, but for those here less established and known than mods and long standing boardies, banter is not going to work as a solution for everyone. There should be some capacity here on the board to enable people to continue to communicate with individuals and groups that they choose to, that's all. If this is the shape of things to come, I'm sure it would be welcomed if there was some prior discussion or opportunity to vote on a poll or whatever prior to pulling the plug too. Can't say I'm a big user of loveboats and I'm more often in banter personally (if not the actual banter thread), but I know large groups of friends who have formed and grew strong by using them and feel sad that these ways of getting to know people and make friends might be in jeopardy. Once again, I'm getting myself all worked up about the principle of it all:rolleyes:. 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Velouria Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 What's the point of a place full of people being nice to each other? Sounds like hell Suck it, you cahhhhhhhnt!! /sarf lahndun It's sad that people feel excluded in Banter, but I can see the point that there can be a bad atmosphere when beef rises amoungst various regular posters. I know I thought about pushing off recently, but then thought fuck it, I'll just talk epic amounts of shit about Reading Festival. As said before, use that Report button, harness your inner Ignore list or post lots of drivel of your own. It's worked for me for five odd years. I'll talk to anyone, especially if they PM me Hugh Jackman n00ds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hystericali Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 forgive me if I get this wrong, but surely it's as basic as an individual posting in threads they want to, irrelevant of where it is on the board? We all started on here as a new member, and we all have to find our own way round here and settle in best we can How many forums exist where there isn't some form of cliqueyness, or a certain amount of beef? Its human nature to get closer to some folk than others, and as much as I'd like everyone to get on with each other and be friends, there is bound to be different opinions and different personalities on a board of this size. this is just my opinion, I come in peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dramatic Hammer Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 I can see why people are intimidated by banter but I don't get the expectation of instant gratification... If you flounce into a real life social situation and talk loudly at strangers, there will be beef and/or ignoring. If you persist and roll with it, chances are that fairly soon everyone will know you and won't remember/care when they joined the group. If however you immediately leave, only to return a week later complaining about how you were ignored/got a slap last time, it's not hard to see that everyone will think you're a cock. I'm not sure why people think it would be any different on here! Of course, you could just gently ease yourself in over a few weeks/months/years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemsy Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 forgive me if I get this wrong, but surely it's as basic as an individual posting in threads they want to, irrelevant of where it is on the board? We all started on here as a new member, and we all have to find our own way round here and settle in best we can How many forums exist where there isn't some form of cliqueyness, or a certain amount of beef? Its human nature to get closer to some folk than others, and as much as I'd like everyone to get on with each other and be friends, there is bound to be different opinions and different personalities on a board of this size. this is just my opinion, I come in peace Exactly. The threads are what matters, not what forums they're in. Which is why it bugs me when people go, "UGH, it's in the Banter forum, I'm not going in there." when it's all the same shit at the end of the day. It's all just a blend of shite that's 1. pointless but fun and 2. not about Muse. So why have two forums for the same thing. I post in the Banter forum, but I don't post in the threads that I don't care about. You won't catch me in the football thread or the F1 thread, for example. But I don't run off saying it's all elitist and rude and make my own thread for my friends only in the Love Boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemsy Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Suck it, you cahhhhhhhnt!! /sarf lahndun It's sad that people feel excluded in Banter, but I can see the point that there can be a bad atmosphere when beef rises amoungst various regular posters. I know I thought about pushing off recently, but then thought fuck it, I'll just talk epic amounts of shit about Reading Festival. As said before, use that Report button, harness your inner Ignore list or post lots of drivel of your own. It's worked for me for five odd years. I'll talk to anyone, especially if they PM me Hugh Jackman n00ds. that's me an' all. I can see why people are intimidated by banter but I don't get the expectation of instant gratification... If you flounce into a real life social situation and talk loudly at strangers, there will be beef and/or ignoring. If you persist and roll with it, chances are that fairly soon everyone will know you and won't remember/care when they joined the group. If however you immediately leave, only to return a week later complaining about how you were ignored/got a slap last time, it's not hard to see that everyone will think you're a cock. I'm not sure why people think it would be any different on here! Of course, you could just gently ease yourself in over a few weeks/months/years... There's two (very welcome) people in the last couple of weeks who I've noticed have taken over the show completely. Like, in the pub analogy, they've taken up root at the very middle of the bar, chatting to everyone. I dunno if they're returning old boardies or renamed people or completely new ones, but they've fit in like god knows what, just like that... so it's very suss and very fun trying to figure it all out. And Noel who burst in shouting the odds, "you Southern fucks, gimme a drink"... we were all, "Ryan, is he with you?!"... It's all brilliant fun. I love the pub analogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velouria Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 that's me an' all. Hi fuckin' 5!! And in keeping with the Reading theme, witness my new av. Sadly no Jackman n00dz as yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muttley Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Will Eric Bana N00ds do for now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velouria Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Will Eric Bana N00ds do for now? But he's a bit rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muttley Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Sorry That's all that my bi-curious self has got on the hard drive :$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dramatic Hammer Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 There's two (very welcome) people in the last couple of weeks who I've noticed have taken over the show completely. Like, in the pub analogy, they've taken up root at the very middle of the bar, chatting to everyone. I dunno if they're returning old boardies or renamed people or completely new ones, but they've fit in like god knows what, just like that... so it's very suss and very fun trying to figure it all out. And Noel who burst in shouting the odds, "you Southern fucks, gimme a drink"... we were all, "Ryan, is he with you?!"... It's all brilliant fun. I love the pub analogy. Haha yeah exactly, they fit in because they didn't arrive with the 'you're a big ugly clique ' thing that so many non-banterers seem to have... There are other people who've arrived more subtly though - mainly through joining in the more specialist/sensible threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemsy Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Haha yeah exactly, they fit in because they didn't arrive with the 'you're a big ugly clique ' thing that so many non-banterers seem to have... There are other people who've arrived more subtly though - mainly through joining in the more specialist/sensible threads. Haha, yeah! You just chat about what you're comfortable chatting about. It's not like some kind of big breakthrough. WOAHMG I'M AN ACCEPTED PART OF BANTER NOW. Lauren was really open about it when she started joining in, "Aaargh, banter is scary, hi banter people, woah scary, don't flame me 'cause I liek Muse." Now look at her, part of the beefy furniture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colly Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 i've been in chat a few times and enjoyed it (except the first time i went in and i got abuse from someone) ok look i'm sorry if my post annoyed you all but i'm talking on behalf of a few people, even BiGjD (my fella) agreed with what me and mark where saying and he hardly posts on here he just knows about what happens cause i tell him. i've met alot of great people through this board and i have been to a few muser meet ups too. i'm not trying to tar all banter members with the same brush but it is a certain few people in there who i don't particularly like which is why i don't really go in there other than to post in the muse family thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemsy Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 i've been in chat a few times and enjoyed it (except the first time i went in and i got abuse from someone) ok look i'm sorry if my post annoyed you all but i'm talking on behalf of a few people, even BiGjD (my fella) agreed with what me and mark where saying and he hardly posts on here he just knows about what happens cause i tell him. i've met alot of great people through this board and i have been to a few muser meet ups too. i'm not trying to tar all banter members with the same brush but it is a certain few people in there who i don't particularly like which is why i don't really go in there other than to post in the muse family thread. <3 I didn't want to get into any beef or pick on particular people. And like I say it's fair enough to post where you want to post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colly Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 <3 I didn't want to get into any beef or pick on particular people. And like I say it's fair enough to post where you want to post. yeah i know it is. it's odd because to those of us to go into banter from coming from somewhere else is hard as you mention muse you instantly get flamed. it's happened to me on several occassions when i have gone in there and i have mentioned something regarding the band. i'm not against banter, not in the sligghtest but i do think that if your wanting server space then old threads in loveboat (for instance boats inactive for sat 6months or more) should get deleted. same with main muse (only make that say inactive for 12months or more as old threads do sometimes get revived) and banter threads get the chop after say 5months of inactivness. i can guarantee that will free up a lot of space. another idea i had is to do with the members. i have noticed alot of "members" sign up and never post. there must be thousands of inactive members. why not give delete inactive acount after say 1-2years of inactivness? that alone must be taking up shit loads of the server? again if this annoys any of you i appologise but i'm only trying to think of logical solutions rather than get rid of a whole section of the forum. that won't solve the server problem if anything it will make it harder as there will be a higher concentration of members in certain areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 seriously everyone don't worry about the server stuff, that isn't relevant to the love boats future and shouldn't have brought into this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
static shadows Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Shit. Can this stop please? I almost feel as though I started it by responding to Blee's rude, threatening and inaccurate post with one I felt was equally rude, but I did it because I wanted to protect an area I felt was under threat, and had no one yet to speak out and defend it (as no one else even knew it was apparently under threat). I'd have actually protected Banter or Other Bands with just the same enthusiasm! I just like the board how it is now I guess. I only see areas of a forum to post in really. I don't see boundaries, or closed off cliques. I like people in all areas of this board and don't see phantom enemies to attack or bitch slap! If I want a random chat with people I post in Banter; if I want to talk more privately or specifically with friends i've made on here I go to the loveboats; if on the rare occasion I want to discuss muse I go to the muse areas; if I want to discuss other bands I go to the other bands areas! I'm just happy with that arrangement. This clique and boundary nonsense doesn't really exist as far as i'm really concerned and I didn't want this thread to head in that direction. I'm sorry for any of my earlier posts which go against that, I only wrote them because I was being ultra defensive and feeling angry (which I know is daft as this is after all just a forum!). ^ this is my genuine opinion! Feel free to quote me on it! <3 I didn't want to get into any beef or pick on particular people. And like I say it's fair enough to post where you want to post. <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Gallagher Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 that's me an' all. There's two (very welcome) people in the last couple of weeks who I've noticed have taken over the show completely. Like, in the pub analogy, they've taken up root at the very middle of the bar, chatting to everyone. I dunno if they're returning old boardies or renamed people or completely new ones, but they've fit in like god knows what, just like that... so it's very suss and very fun trying to figure it all out. And Noel who burst in shouting the odds, "you Southern fucks, gimme a drink"... we were all, "Ryan, is he with you?!"... It's all brilliant fun. I love the pub analogy. Thanks very much........i'll that as a compliment:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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