Green Mamba Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) Hmmm...Birmingham Seating plan gives quite a detailed stage plan. (Gigs and tours site) Interesting how Lights & Sound FOH are split, looks like green thing is Piano on a lift/riser? Edited October 2, 2015 by Green Mamba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 God, this setup looks shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonisdead Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 God, this setup looks shite. strong opinion based on nothing at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Except a really detailed picture illustrating how hard it will be to get a good view of the band at least half the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonisdead Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Except a really detailed picture illustrating how hard it will be to get a good view of the band at least half the time. a "really detailed picture" which conveniently leaves out the minor detail of stage height Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraffah Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 I hear the stage will be sunken into the floor so everyone can look down on the band, not just those in the audience from the message board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 strong opinion based on nothing at all The fact that it's 360 The layout of the stage Presumably only the centre circle rotates Probably no way of having a decent view of every band member at once (may even only see certain band members from the front once or twice per gig) There's going to be drones (and possibly even more pointless, distracting, cringe-worthy production elements) Yup, nothing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 a "really detailed picture" which conveniently leaves out the minor detail of stage height I don't see that negating the fact that there's going to be a lot of time seeing people's backs, or down the long catwalks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonisdead Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 I hear the stage will be sunken into the floor so everyone can look down on the band, not just those in the audience from the message board this would be wonderful because the boardies look down on the band enough as is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonisdead Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 I don't see that negating the fact that there's going to be a lot of time seeing people's backs, or down the long catwalks. I don't recall a time when Muse never put on a good, interactive show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Some people would rather see the entire band straight on for the entire gig... Shocker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonisdead Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Some people would rather see the entire band straight on for the entire gig... Shocker. good thing the band doesn't cater to "some people" and prefer to do what they want because the rest will pay to see them regardless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanp16 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Two pianos then? Cool, maybe there will be two separate piano sections then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonisdead Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Two pianos then? Cool, maybe there will be two separate piano sections then. If I had to guess why, it would probably be one piano for Apocalypse Please during the set then maybe the other for The Globalist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 The T2L stadium tour sort of had two piano sections (well, if you count one song as a section) so it wouldn't be too surprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Who exactly are they catering to with this stage set up? It's been explicitly stated that it's center stage to accommodate the flying elements, and imo, that's not a great trade off for being able to actually watch the band members perform the music. Quite the opposite of "looking down on" the band (nice deflection for people who have differing opinions, btw) I personally think the band is too good to drown themselves out under the weight of these ever growing technical shenanigans (which is a bit of an irony again this tour.) Matt's shady voice these last gigs aside for the moment, they've got some amazing music, and are incredible performers. THAT is what I want to see, not 16 quadcopters and some lasers. I could do that at the park playing a Muse CD. I've been increasingly disappointed that the stage shows have to keep one upping themselves, this time apparently at the detriment to being able to just watch three (four...) guys perform some killer music. And the truth of the matter is they know they need to keep this up. At least in the US, they sell tickets purely based on reputation of these gargantuan stage shows. They sell out venues 2-3 times (probably more) than bands that massively upstage them on album sales, due to the stage show (so I guess if you're going to say they're "catering" to anyone...) I've been to a few gigs since my last Muse one, and was shocked to see nearly damn everyone in the crowd singing along, every single song; at my last gig, so damn loudly we had to move several times to hear the band itself well. Even so, it was gorgeous. I've never been to a Muse gig where I heard one damn person singing near me, other than Madness or Uprising. Just keeps making me more and more pissed I didn't get to see Muse perform this way. And I don't know what your definition of "interactive" is, but a dude playing most of the gig with his eyes closed, not speaking to the crowd, and a few seconds of hand-slapping really isn't mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 I personally think the band is too good to drown themselves out under the weight of these ever growing technical shenanigans (which is a bit of an irony again this tour.) Matt's shady voice these last gigs aside for the moment, they've got some amazing music, and are incredible performers. THAT is what I want to see, not 16 quadcopters and some lasers. I could do that at the park playing a Muse CD. I've been increasingly disappointed that the stage shows have to keep one upping themselves, this time apparently at the detriment to being able to just watch three (four...) guys perform some killer music. I've been saying pretty much the same thing for a while. They were probably at their peak performance-wise during the Absolution Tour (imo, at least), mainly because they had nothing but their own energy to rely on and make up for their lack of numbers. Since then, they've progressively hid behind increasingly excessive productions and relied on that to entertain and satisfy the crowds as opposed to their actual performance. Even interviewers have gone from praising their live shows for their sheer energy and volume to "lel so wat wacky stuff u guys doin this time ¯\_(ツ)_/¯", for the most part at least. Whether they always wanted to do things like this or whether it's a product of their bombastic reputation getting to them (I think it's a bit of both), they've got themselves locked into this shite cycle of constantly feeling the need to add more and more gimmicks which, more often than not, only detract from the actual show. I think that's evidenced by the fact that the 'best live act' awards seem to have dried up in recent years, from what I've seen anyway. I was hoping the Psycho Tour might help them break that cycle, I guess not. /essayoversoz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonisdead Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 I don't understand how changing up the method of modifying the "show" element that is built around the performance makes the actual performance any worse. It's not like Matt gives up halfway through the gig now these and walks off stage. And again, it's not like it'll be impossible to see the band while they perform, regardless what they're doing on stage you can hear the music being performed live, you can't get that from the CD. I would much rather see them energized by being able to move around more than to see them directly in front of me if they feel excited by the idea of doing a different kind of show for the main tour rather than just for stadiums. An enthusiastic band is all I want, if they felt this album reconnected with their roots and they did a club tour to please the hardcore fans, if they felt like this stage setup would alienate the old (and newly refreshed) and new fanbase, why would they go ahead with it? It's idiotic to say and imply that the "actual performance" suffers because the entire show production is now in the round with a few flying recording devices added to the mix. Give me a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) There's also a pretty big assumption in there somewhere about "hardcore" fans getting to see the Psycho tour, when there was two US dates, and even those of us willing and able to travel weren't all able to get tickets. Probably the majority of "hardcore" fans who wanted to, at least in the case of LA. Would have been a fucking dream come true for me. And I explained why I think they're doing it. It's not about alienating anyone, it's because they sort of "have" to, since they've become more known for crazy stage shows than the "human" side of the performance, and I think that's a downer, personally. Like I said. And yes, I very much do think "the actual performance" is diminished if I can't SEE the band performing. Why would it be okay if I could hear it and not see it? You don't go to movies and close your eyes. I don't care if there's flying shit, or pyramids, or lasers out someone's arsehole.... as long as I have a good viewing angle of it all. You're deliberately missing the point. In this situation, the desire for the drones led to a situation where visibility is compromised to accommodate them, and that's where I think the line should be drawn. Like the pillars; it was impossible to see the band members, and the "cool" factor of them wore off right at the beginning, but they continued to be a detriment to portions of the overall performance, imo. Why does it matter if the band is energized if people run the risk of not actually being able to see that? But yeah, if I'd gotten to see the Psycho tour, I probably wouldn't give a shit about this one. There is that. Except there wasn't. Edited October 3, 2015 by SerpentSatellite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forevermusic Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Hmmm...Birmingham Seating plan gives quite a detailed stage plan. (Gigs and tours site) Interesting how Lights & Sound FOH are split, looks like green thing is Piano on a lift/riser? One thing puzzles me about the set-up photo - where exactly are the band entering the stage from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 One thing puzzles me about the set-up photo - where exactly are the band entering the stage from? I would assume they'll just have to be escorted from a side. Of course, knowing them, they'll be an entire false floor built so they can enter from below. I was wondering how they're still going to short the US gigs a piano song if there's two pianos, and everyone's going to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forevermusic Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 I would assume they'll just have to be escorted from a side. Of course, knowing them, they'll be an entire false floor built so they can enter from below. I was wondering how they're still going to short the US gigs a piano song if there's two pianos, and everyone's going to know. For one moment, I wish you would hold your stage my mind called back to an interview around the time of The 2nd Law that they have a chill-out zone underneath the stage, and seemed to go further and think it might have the dressing room as well. But if its going to be lower for this tour, there may well be not the room for such a thing. In the (sketchy) map for the O2, the runways were looking longer, with it being just long enough so the band can get onto the stage from the closest arrow to where a conventional end-stage fits. Same too for the Mexico City triple-header. Also curious to note they felt excuse to include the Birmingham standing capacity. In terms of the 360 argument, I've never been to a gig with it properly (TR and T2L arenas don't really count, even if I bought a behind-stage seat for the 2012 O2 gig) but its a bit of an ego-y gimmick for performers. I am prepared to wait and see what it looks like and how they do it in practice though, and also how this "place rotation" lark works, even if it is pretty bollocks. At the least, it'll allow me to work out if I think its a good or bad idea once and for all... not that the billing gives me confidence. I would like to see someone shine a laser out of their arse though. That would be a novel pyrotechnic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Little Animal Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 I would assume they'll just have to be escorted from a side. Of course, knowing them, they'll be an entire false floor built so they can enter from below. : Obviously they'll be flown in by a drone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Little Animal Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 What's the first show using this stage? US? Or all of the Americas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emuse9 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 What's the first show using this stage? US? Or all of the Americas? It'll be the mexico show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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