Princess of Promise Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I thought Defector would be Big Freeze v2. Now I'm more inclined towards Aftermath (being Big Freeze v2). Yeah, I'd bet on Aftermath being Big Freeze part II (though personally it sounds more like Redemption in my head yes even after reading the interview excerpt) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter. Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Album's a bit short to have a full instrumental, imo. well T2L had one... and I reckon this will be about the same length. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defector Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Or Matt's vocals, which are still stellar, "bad" lyrics or no. Album's a bit short to have a full instrumental, imo. its a trifold album on vinyl, seems really long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boogles. Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I reckon that heavy Helsinki jam-esque riff will be part of the handler I expect that to be in either Defector or Revolt. It has that kind of intense feel to it and I can get a mental image of the protagonist fighting back against his oppressors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 So you know all the track lengths? There aren't as many songs as I'd like. Some of them could be 15 minutes long, but suck. I feel more comfortable with more tracks, I guess. Gives me more chances to like some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandOmegaBoss Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 There aren't as many songs as I'd like. Some of them could be 15 minutes long, but suck. I feel more comfortable with more tracks, I guess. Gives me more chances to like some. I would actually be so happy if muse sat down, tried real hard and made like 5 amazing songs that flow nicely and with at least two that reaches the 8 minute mark (minimally) and released that instead of random mixbags in terms of quality and style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-FutureStar- Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I would actually be so happy if muse sat down, tried real hard and made like 5 amazing songs that flow nicely and with at least two that reaches the 8 minute mark (minimally) and released that instead of random mixbags in terms of quality and style. Not just pointing at this post, but in general... You have to remember, Muse aren't there for fan service. They write stuff that they want to write. Which is fair enough IMO, whether or not it is well received by the people, they're writing out of 'love' for it. Who knows, maybe they just don't enjoy writing long progressive tracks so much anymore, and would rather work on something fun and upbeat... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil2211 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 (edited) Based on the limited descriptions so far of the Globalist, I'm expecting Drones - as a finale to be relatively understated, like all of the other final tracks (bar KOC). I doubt they're going to have a closing track as equally mental if there's a 10 minute prog nightmare beforehand..... Edited March 24, 2015 by Phil2211 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonisdead Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Not just pointing at this post, but in general... You have to remember, Muse aren't there for fan service. They write stuff that they want to write. Which is fair enough IMO, whether or not it is well received by the people, they're writing out of 'love' for it. Who knows, maybe they just don't enjoy writing long progressive tracks so much anymore, and would rather work on something fun and upbeat... I can't really call this fan service. Muse have never strictly been a one genre band, but doing long progressive numbers naturally only comes to bands strongly rooted in prog rock. It would definitely require some conscious effort to do so, just as Matt did and said he did with The Globalist which ended up being 10 minutes long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-FutureStar- Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Based on limit descriptions so far of the Globalist, I'm expecting Drones - as a finale to be relatively understated, like all of the other final tracks (bar KOC). I doubt they're going to have a closing track as equally mental if there's a 10 minute prog nightmare beforehand..... Yeah, I agree. I'm expecting to Drones to be upbeat like Psycho or Reapers riff. Obv with the depressing lyrics still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-FutureStar- Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I can't really call this fan service. Muse have never strictly been a one genre band, but doing long progressive numbers naturally only comes to bands strongly rooted in prog rock. It would definitely require some conscious effort to do so, just as Matt did and said he did with The Globalist which ended up being 10 minutes long Yeah, I just hope it wasn't written because fans were going on about it, rather because they wanted to. There's be massive difference in quality between the two scenarios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee3Dee Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Yeah, I just hope it wasn't written because fans were going on about it, rather because they wanted to. There's be massive difference in quality between the two scenarios. He did say he wrote it just to see if he could write a song in that style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-FutureStar- Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 He did say he wrote it just to see if he could write a song in that style. Which sounds suspiciously like fan service, but hopefully I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobiiiaaas Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Which sounds suspiciously like fan service, but hopefully I'm wrong. Doesn't sound like fan service to me, more like Matt was reflecting on how he's changed over the years and whether he could still write something like CE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopix Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Which sounds suspiciously like fan service, but hopefully I'm wrong. Matt (and the others) don't seem like the kind of ones to put something out they aren't ultimately satisfied with, regardless of if it was fan-service or not, that would just be an added bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Not just pointing at this post, but in general... You have to remember, Muse aren't there for fan service. They write stuff that they want to write. Which is fair enough IMO, whether or not it is well received by the people, they're writing out of 'love' for it. Who knows, maybe they just don't enjoy writing long progressive tracks so much anymore, and would rather work on something fun and upbeat... The Psycho riff felt a little fan servicey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-FutureStar- Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 The Psycho riff felt a little fan servicey. I agree with you there, actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spark_ Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Takeaway points from the radio interviews: Dead Inside is about losing love, takes the album into a dark place After Psycho the album keeps getting progressively darker Mercy and The Handler in particular are really dark Defector and Revolt are when the protagonist starts to fight back, regains self control Aftermath is the end of the brainwashing story, about finding love again The Globalist is the CE sequel, a "10 minute prog nightmare," about the rise and fall of a dictator, end of world, WW3 Dead Inside and Psycho are the two extremes of the album, melodic and heavy The album leans more towards heavy side This is their return to being a three-piece band Chris also claims the Psycho tour has the band talking about doing more intimate gigs, says there is "something missing" in playing big arenas etc. I'm going to assume that the bolded was said primarily as a more representative thing because those two songs are the ones people have actually heard, and not meant to be literal because I'd be vaguely disappointed if so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareeh Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Saying Drone in every song doesn't bother me, it's the way in which they have so far that does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k024er7 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Saying Drone in every song doesn't bother me, it's the way in which they have so far that does Indeed, it was really forced into the songs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regilistic Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Reapers >>> Psycho > Dead Inside. I really like all the songs that we've heard so far, I can even understand the inclusion of Dead Inside. Together with the new songs and the prospect of rarities, it's the most excited I've been for a Muse tour/album in a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I don't really have a strong opinion either way on Reapers. Really think I need to hear the studio version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattestro Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I'm liking the production on the studio tracks we have so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonisdead Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I'm liking the production on the studio tracks we have so far Production and mixing are solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattestro Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Production and mixing are solid. Just compare the production on Psycho to the production on Supremacy, such a huge step up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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