Mr Problematique Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 I think the problem with The Globalist are the expectations we had. I've just listened to it and I liked a lot more than in my first listening. But it's disappointing that this could have been a 10/10 song and it's only 7,5/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coops Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Feels like wasted potential with this one. The middle part feels completely out of place, not to mention the melody for the entire final third is a mix between Nimrod and Soaked. If they hadn't hyped it up as Citizen Erased part 2, I'd view it differently, but as it is, it's a bit of a letdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museiscool Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Feels like wasted potential with this one. The middle part feels completely out of place, not to mention the melody for the entire final third is a mix between Nimrod and Soaked. If they hadn't hyped it up as Citizen Erased part 2, I'd view it differently, but as it is, it's a bit of a letdown. They shot themselves in the foot with that comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spark_ Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 The piano ballad wouldn't even be a problem if the song had good transitions and a longer heavy part (preferrably with vocals). Genuinely a missed opportunity. Yeah agree with this. Weird to think that a 10 minute song is too short, but it definitely is. I really hope they do something similar to what they do with B&H live and draw out that tremolo bit to make the transition to piano a lot smoother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0hawk Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Guys, I think I may have figured a way they could play this live, cutting out the ending piano section (as a result of seeing the negative fan reaction). The Globalist (until 6:35) STRAIGHT INTO Citizen Erased I have a sneaky suspicion the band feels a sense of regret with this one. Awesome heroic beginning. Dat riff. DAT FUCKING TREMOLO SECTION. Then, an awkward piano section that: A) transitions poorly from the heavy section B) negates the drama and power of the section preceding it C) quite frankly, is one of the weakest moments of the album Dom and Chris are going to be bored out of their minds when they play the piano bit live, night after night. Even Matt will eventually lose heart. Cut the piano bit out completely. Replace it with something that actually extends the thunderous heavy section. Since The Globalist uses a drop-A tuning, this can be followed by either CE, Supremacy, or a random jam in drop-A. Since everyone and their grandmother clamours for CE, why not give the fans what we want? The best parts of The Globalist AND Citizen Erased? Plus, Matt did say that they are going to be playing Citizen Erased and The Globalist. But, Matt being Matt, that could be wishful thinking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coops Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Guys, I think I may have figured a way they could play this live, cutting out the ending piano section (as a result of seeing the negative fan reaction). The Globalist (until 6:35) STRAIGHT INTO Citizen Erased I have a sneaky suspicion the band feels a sense of regret with this one. Awesome heroic beginning. Dat riff. DAT FUCKING TREMOLO SECTION. Then, an awkward piano section that: A) transitions poorly from the heavy section B) negates the drama and power of the section preceding it C) quite frankly, is one of the weakest moments of the album Dom and Chris are going to be bored out of their minds when they play the piano bit live, night after night. Even Matt will eventually lose heart. Cut the piano bit out completely. Replace it with something that actually extends the thunderous heavy section. Since The Globalist uses a drop-A tuning, this can be followed by either CE, Supremacy, or a random jam in drop-A. Since everyone and their grandmother clamours for CE, why not give the fans what we want? The best parts of The Globalist AND Citizen Erased? Plus, Matt did say that they are going to be playing Citizen Erased and The Globalist. But, Matt being Matt, that could be wishful thinking so just Citizen Erased and none of the Globalist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mittle Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 I just heard that riff ending (solo) for the first time. And wow. I´ve never had such a musegasm. I mean. I just shat a brick. And yea. They could pretty much jump straight into survival after that... ... and continue on with guiding light and neutron star collision... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 I have a sneaky suspicion the band feels a sense of regret with this one.Based on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam_jk Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 I think the reason some think the heavy part is too short is because the drums take ages to kick in. So they don't start counting until then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam_jk Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Guys, I think I may have figured a way they could play this live, cutting out the ending piano section (as a result of seeing the negative fan reaction). The Globalist (until 6:35) STRAIGHT INTO Citizen Erased I have a sneaky suspicion the band feels a sense of regret with this one. Awesome heroic beginning. Dat riff. DAT FUCKING TREMOLO SECTION. Then, an awkward piano section that: A) transitions poorly from the heavy section B) negates the drama and power of the section preceding it C) quite frankly, is one of the weakest moments of the album Dom and Chris are going to be bored out of their minds when they play the piano bit live, night after night. Even Matt will eventually lose heart. Cut the piano bit out completely. Replace it with something that actually extends the thunderous heavy section. Since The Globalist uses a drop-A tuning, this can be followed by either CE, Supremacy, or a random jam in drop-A. Since everyone and their grandmother clamours for CE, why not give the fans what we want? The best parts of The Globalist AND Citizen Erased? Plus, Matt did say that they are going to be playing Citizen Erased and The Globalist. But, Matt being Matt, that could be wishful thinking But the piano bit is awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
droneattack Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 But the piano bit is awesome! IMO, (well it's more like "i'm hoping for") they will play it differently live, maybe a section that didn't make it to the album on the heavy part, bcus that transition to the piano section it would be impossible for matt to do live. well either that or they won't be playing it or they'll do the same kind transition they make since 2007 (i think) with CE, to the piano section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spark_ Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 I think the reason some think the heavy part is too short is because the drums take ages to kick in. So they don't start counting until then. It's too short because the best part - the tremolo part - lasts barely over 15 seconds. And then they basically deliberately mush everything up so they don't have to bother with any kind of actual sensible resolution of the melody into the piano bit. EDIT: I should say though, this is easily my favourite of the 2nd half songs. It's just so bafflingly structured, I'm genuinely unsure how they thought this would do justice to the potential the song had. It almost sounds... unfinished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn. Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 , maybe a section that didn't make it to the album on the heavy part, bcus that transition to the piano section it would be impossible for matt to do live. I can't understand that, why they can't put in the album something they can't replicate live? If sounds good on the record i'm fine with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiT Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 It might be a controversial opinion but I think that the heavy part is the dullest part of the song. Not even the piano part. It's just the same easy riff all over with little changes. THe parts before and after are even more versatile. But I love the heavy part as well just everyone seem to lose their minds for that part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam_jk Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 1. a. Whistling - 4/10 1. b. Guitar- 6/10 1. c. Radio style bit. Vocals- 8/10 2. Heavy bit- 8.5/10 3. Nimrod outro - 9/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
droneattack Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 I can't understand that, why they can't put in the album something they can't replicate live? If sounds good on the record i'm fine with it. no idea sadly.. they did the same thing with assassin even though we got GOB version as a b-side, i would've loved it if it was a part of the BHAR album. but that's the thing they do that a lot they cancel so pretty cool sections for the albums. maybe so it can sell? maybe. Despite tht i still love this song it is just another crazy muse song and i cnt wait to see it live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TERZi Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Plus, Matt did say that they are going to be playing Citizen Erased and The Globalist. But, Matt being Matt, that could be wishful thinking Just dreaming CE + this on live.. Looking forward to see it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen Erased 01 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 It might be a controversial opinion but I think that the heavy part is the dullest part of the song. Not even the piano part. It's just the same easy riff all over with little changes. THe parts before and after are even more versatile. But I love the heavy part as well just everyone seem to lose their minds for that part. I actually agree. I think the heavy bit is just long enough to keep it interesting, and to make it longer would have actually been to the song's detriment. I personally think that the whole thing works well together, and making the heavy bit longer would have detracted from the orchestra and piano Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiT Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 After a few more listens, I feel this is a masterpiece. It might know feel cohesive at first listen, but the more you listen the better it gets. I had a similar feeling with Exogenesis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Museic Syndrome Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 I actually agree. I think the heavy bit is just long enough to keep it interesting, and to make it longer would have actually been to the song's detriment. I personally think that the whole thing works well together, and making the heavy bit longer would have detracted from the orchestra and piano I guess you are right. We just need to accept it the way it is. Maybe that makes it more special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen Erased 01 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 I guess you are right. We just need to accept it the way it is. Maybe that makes it more special. That's how I feel anyway, I can 100% understand that people are shocked that it didn't live up to their standards or hate it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattestro Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 I love the way he sings "you could build a nuclear power" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillyracer Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 This is pretty much a sequel to Exogenesis, even how it's divided in 3 parts.I love it except for the piano part which just drags on, even though there was so much potential in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen Erased 01 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 This is pretty much a sequel to Exogenesis, even how it's divided in 3 parts.I love it except for the piano part which just drags on, even though there was so much potential in there. yeah I see that, definitely more like that than CE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coops Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 It's grown on me quite a bit actually, love the Morricone style whistling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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