Destroya Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 What if the Globalist was branched into separate tracks on the disc, akin to Exo? Of course it would ruin the flow from the western section to the heavy part - but could spark a sense that it would increase in length Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spark_ Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 You'd run into the problem that none of the three parts, one their own, have enough to them to hold up as individual songs. Not a criticism, ofc, as it wasn't constructed that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomWales Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I kinda like the abrupt transition from the heavy part to the piano section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcowjo Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Promising start, fab middle, crap cheesy ending. So frustrating and embarassing, like being on the verge of orgasm & your mum walking in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 like being on the verge of orgasm & your mum walking in. :LOL: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slashisback Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I suppose it has been already said but The Globalist first part could be match with a Tarantino movie. And the next one is...a western. I put a coin on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I suppose it has been already said but The Globalist first part could be match with a Tarantino movie. Well it's more or less a rip off of L'Arena, which has been used by Tarantino in Kill Bill 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man_In_Showbiz Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 The middle heavy guitar part would have made a killer intro to a song slap bang in the middle of Reapers and The Handler. I like the 3 different parts to this song but put them together + the lyrics and it knocks it down a couple of levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumpypotato Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 You'd run into the problem that none of the three parts, one their own, have enough to them to hold up as individual songs. Not a criticism, ofc, as it wasn't constructed that way. Each part has potential as a stand alone track, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAurelia Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Listening to The Globalist for the first time. The guitar riff is so epic and too short... I'm really happy with this song! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightsmuse Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I think The Globalist is more of Invincible + United States of Eurasia sequel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musekiddo Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 If it wasn't for the long-winded Dream Theatre cheese of an outro this song would've been great. Instead it's just good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymoose Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 With all this talk of Drones: The Musical I could see this being great towards the end. Post-aftermath, the protagonist is old and reads his child the story of The Globalist. The two of them sitting in the corner of the stage while the story is acted out around them. Just a strange image that's been in my head! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 It has grown on me, and I'm okay with the heavy part. Would have been nice with some proper vocals with lyrics for that part, but meh. With all this talk of Drones: The Musical I could see this being great towards the end. Post-aftermath, the protagonist is old and reads his child the story of The Globalist. The two of them sitting in the corner of the stage while the story is acted out around them. Just a strange image that's been in my head! Sounds cliche as fuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Promising start, fab middle, crap cheesy ending. So frustrating and embarassing, like being on the verge of orgasm & your mum walking in. I mustn't get embarrassed as easily, I'd just finish. People should learn to knock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Eb Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 (edited) I've heard this song enough times to form an opinion on it...I like it, but I do have a few qualms with it. The first being the nimrod copy...Matt can write good piano; why did he feel the need to borrow instead of compose? It sounds lovely though, and I like what he did with it. My second gripe has been echoed by a few people already, but it really doesn't flow as well as it could/should. I actually think the transition to the massive riff is okay, but the transition to the piano is really jarring. It's like it interrupts the last chord of the guitar, and there's no time to breathe and acknowledge that the chaos is over. In the context of the story I feel like the protagonist would take a short moment either out of shock or just to contemplate the amount of destruction, and as a listener I want the time to properly visualize it and process as well. But nope, we jump right in with the...rage? Grief? It's kind of ambiguous as to what the protagonist is feeling (ambiguous for once; that's not a complaint just an observation). Finally I think the last line "I just wanted to be loved" is pretty poignant, and in my opinion they should've just ended with that instead of Drones, as delightful as Matt's singing is. Find a way to resolve it and end the song/album there. Instead The Globalist ends with harmonic tension so it doesn't feel resolved (which makes the transition to Drones harmonically necessary). So now we have a 10 minute track that doesn't even feel finished in isolation. It's a fun ride but a missed opportunity to be truly evocative in my opinion. Edited June 9, 2015 by Absolute Eb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopix Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I was thinking earlier how much better this would be if: The part where the drums kick in fully was twice as long. The Elgar part was removed. That's all it would've taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymoose Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 It has grown on me, and I'm okay with the heavy part. Would have been nice with some proper vocals with lyrics for that part, but meh. Sounds cliche as fuck. Because a Muse-ical (sorry, not sorry) totally wouldn't be corny in any way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joffoir Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 For me, this is the best song on the album. On my first listen, when that countdown started and the whole thing kicked of in such a brilliant way, I had tears in my eyes, similar to the tears that the ending of Citizen Erased often brings, in fact it happened on the second listening also. I'm a bloke. That doesn't happen very often, so, bonus. On the downside, the ending does sound like it should be a separate track, I wish the riffage lasted longer (as it is awesome) and overall it reminds me rather too much of Bohemian Rhapsody (fortunately though, that is also awesome). I would agree that given Matt's obvious talent it would be nice for some more original composition rather than ripping off Morricone and Elgar, but overall I am very happy with this song. Not perfect, 8/10, but quite satisfying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henz Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I was thinking earlier how much better this would be if: The part where the drums kick in fully was twice as long. The Elgar part was removed. That's all it would've taken. So much this. I might just edit the song myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pevg Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 The Elgar part was removed. The use of Elgar is, I think, part of the message of the song: The globalist is set in alternative future to that of the main story of Drones where the ending is different: it is a variation on that theme. Nimrod is 9th variation in Elgar's Variations on an Original Theme. The dictator refers to himself as "The greatest hunter". Historically, Nimrod is also known as the mighty hunter. Nimrod is also possibly the king who was responsible for the building of the tower of babel, which lead to the division of nations. In the globalist, the protagonist destroys those nations: another variation on an original theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Eb Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 The use of Elgar is, I think, part of the message of the song: The globalist is set in alternative future to that of the main story of Drones where the ending is different: it is a variation on that theme. Nimrod is 9th variation in Elgar's Variations on an Original Theme. The dictator refers to himself as "The greatest hunter". Historically, Nimrod is also known as the mighty hunter. Nimrod is also possibly the king who was responsible for the building of the tower of babel, which lead to the division of nations. In the globalist, the protagonist destroys those nations: another variation on an original theme. Wow...I had heard Nimrod before, but hadn't bothered to think about the context before...That's a lot of anecdotal evidence to suggest that Nimrod wasn't just chosen for it's structure. Although I find your first point to be a bit of a stretch, your reasoning checks out with me. I'm going to renege my first complaint about choosing that piece instead of composing. I'd like to think Matt went through a similar thought process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spark_ Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 That's neat, but even then that still would have come through if they had just quoted/alluded rather than done a flat-out cover/rearrangement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pevg Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 That's neat, but even then that still would have come through if they had just quoted/alluded rather than done a flat-out cover/rearrangement. I agree, although Matt may have purposely decided on a variation of the variation to take the point further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slashisback Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I did'nt hear the back vocal countdown on the heavy parts, between the first one and the second one heavier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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