Legrosbob Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Since the twitter requests seem to work (they played Citizen in Toronto and Bliss in Montreal, we'll see if they play Citizen tonight), why not do it again for Quebec City? We could try with New Born, since it's been notably absent from the tour and it would fit nicely in the OoS slot. We can tweet @glenrowe, @nowherethomas and @mattbellamy with the hashtag #NewBorn4Quebec Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander DeLarge Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) Yeah, I'm sure there'd be fall out if the band actually stripped back, with tons of people going hoping for a big spectacle. Saddening. It did sound like Matt said he thought it had gone too far, last tour; interesting to hear Dom say similar.. Well I mean if they're really not a fan of the crowds they're getting, alienating the spectacle/pop people would be the fastest way to fix that. Then again, I'm not quite sure if people would be alienated if they did a Download set every night. Edited January 21, 2016 by Alexander DeLarge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Well I mean if they're really not a fan of the crowds they're getting, alienating the spectacle/pop people would be the fastest way to fix that. Then again, I'm not quite sure if people would be alienated if they did a Download set every night. It's less about the set, and more just about the "big show" aspect of it. They've seemed very afraid that if they scale that back, people will be disappointed because Muse=big flashy crap. They're probably right. And that's not just for the US. Seeing the two awesome songs (CE and Bliss) that had been eliminated from US sets come back the minute they got out the US does seem to point to the fact that they do in fact hate us here. :'( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forevermusic Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 I think it was the Unsustainable Tour when they decided that show was going too far. Don't really recall any similar comments being made about The 2nd Law arena legs. Although clearly that meant to be stripped down in a "no fire-spouting robots or actors on stage" sense, not "alright, back to one screen and a box of lights" sense. I don't get the sense that this a tour with a production being done because, "Oh, well people expect Muse to do spectacle - let's do something way over-the-top". I get the sense this is more just doing 2 long-running ideas - a 360 stage and a fleet of self-propelled flying objects. I can remember talk that the Resistance arena tour was going to be a true centre-stage tour, not a 360 end-stage production, although with the towers, it might've been even more impractical. Same with Health & Safety blocking the bringing of self-propelled flying objects to Wembley, V 2008, Glastonbury 2010, etc. (the UFO was on wires so I doubt you can count it). It does seem like a thing that started with a good basic concept, and has gradually snowballed out of control, and not least given all the fun with the drones that work one gig, not at all at the next one, and then crash into the audience at the one after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Whether or not this is Unsustainable Tour level spectacle, it's still a huge production compared to what most bands do. It would be if they did a traditional show that unfortunately I honestly believe people would be disappointed, and I'm sure Muse is aware and makes decisions based on that. Matt might have been talking about giant robots and actors, but Dom's talking about this tour. The small tour did amazing based on the novelty of small gig Muse, though, and I do wish they'd just reinvent themselves starting with that, and become a band that stands more on live musicianship than spectacle. They're obviously good enough to stand on their own merits and don't need to hide behind the flash. The white orbs do look damn cool when they're working; it's just that your odds so far of actually seeing it look cool (or at all) are pretty low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forevermusic Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Its always been the way to some degree or other - in the Mark Beaumont biography, there's a quote from back when they were in pre-production for Absolution saying that they felt an arena gig needed more than just them on stage. Somewhat ironic to read now given we look at the Absolution Tour stuff in 2003/04 as being stripped down by modern Muse standards. To some degree I don't mind the faff, flash and flam too much - most gigs are end-stage with a screen and lights, and it gets samey after a while. Its obviously tried and true over generations, but I do find it cool to see the odd act that looks for something different, and I really enjoyed the Unsustainable Tour as that felt like a gig with both band doing in good form musically, and backed by an impressively spectacular production, even if there were elements (the actors) that weren't strictly required. I don't think I'd be disappointed if Muse just did simple - Brighton and Shepherd's Bush were fantastic gigs with just band, stage and a tarp. But it feels like its too easy to see mass spectacle as bad, and this tour does look great both with and without the magical malfunctioning orbs, even if its probably better in seats. I also doubt this was done as a tour designed for that, and more just something they've wanted to do forever that they now can do. Maybe if the spectacle tail is wagging the musical dog, its an issue, although its gone back and forth on that one about 20 times already. But whatever. I think PopMart is U2's best looking tour and also one of its best sounding, and most people of the time said it was overbearing shit filled with mirrorball lemons and silly hats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustyy Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 ^ as far as the show goes, I took my dad with me to download and he's a casual fan, and he said "it was good, but where was the amazing light show/*insert muse and their rep for the theatrics etc*. It seems they may have paved themselves into a corner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 ^ as far as the show goes, I took my dad with me to download and he's a casual fan, and he said "it was good, but where was the amazing light show/*insert muse and their rep for the theatrics etc*. It seems they may have paved themselves into a corner That's kind of the tone I got from Dom in that interview, since he calls the tour a 'nightmare' and literally says things keep snowballing. The visuals wouldn't be a problem so much if they worked, and if they didn't limit the setlist. That's my main problem with the sort of thing, is there's a set of songs you HAVE to get, and in some cases that's the current album tracks, which is fine, but in others it means you're getting Feeling Good with some lady drinking out of a gas pump... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberley Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Since the twitter requests seem to work (they played Citizen in Toronto and Bliss in Montreal, we'll see if they play Citizen tonight), why not do it again for Quebec City? We could try with New Born, since it's been notably absent from the tour and it would fit nicely in the OoS slot. We can tweet @glenrowe, @nowherethomas and @mattbellamy with the hashtag #NewBorn4Quebec Thanks! I definitely support doing a campaign like this, but if it is actually working, why not try something more interesting? I know New Born is a great song and hasn't shown up this tour, but it's a long stretch to consider it much of a rarity in the grander scheme of things. I'd much rather have either Bliss or CE (granted I am biased, having never seen either of those two yet, and really *really* hoping for either one!) But since they seem to like Quebec (both Montreal and QC City), why not try something more adventurous that would be a really huge treat? How about #Fury4Quebec, or #Assassin4Quebec?? Either of those would be much more exciting rarities, and fall within the realm of stuff they have actually played in recent time and we might have a chance at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I think it's best honestly to stick with songs they've been playing. If it gets too out there, they're probably less likely to go along with it anymore. Getting everyone on board to ask for the same song at the same gig is important, and I think it's very reasonable that they might play songs like CE and Bliss that have been played recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberley Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I think it's best honestly to stick with songs they've been playing. If it gets too out there, they're probably less likely to go along with it anymore. Getting everyone on board to ask for the same song at the same gig is important, and I think it's very reasonable that they might play songs like CE and Bliss that have been played recently. I only threw those out there because they have both showed up from time to time and did pop up on the Psycho tour. But if we have to all agree on a song that has been getting played more often, I'd go for #CitizenErased4Quebec for sure. Might actually be more likely than New Born anyway, as it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 #Fury4Quebec, or #Assassin4Quebec?? ok cool I would be very down for thi- I'd much rather have either Bliss or CE (I do actually agree though btw Bliss and CE have been two of the biggest 'go-to' request songs since like '09, it'd be nice to freshen it up a bit and bring back some different fan favourites) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 This isn't Europe... I'd be so happy with either Bliss or CE I'd shit myself, and call an idiotic $1000+ concert worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberley Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 This isn't Europe... Sadly....though Dom did say in that interview that Quebec felt much more like Europe, so hey.... I'd be so happy with either Bliss or CE I'd shit myself, and call an idiotic $1000+ concert worth it. Agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberley Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 ok cool I would be very down for thi- (I do actually agree though btw Bliss and CE have been two of the biggest 'go-to' request songs since like '09, it'd be nice to freshen it up a bit and bring back some different fan favourites) Hey now, you pulled that out of order I'd rather have Bliss or CE over New Born, but either Assassin or Fury would take the cake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musekiddo Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 So apparently the gig starts soon, chat: https://client00.chat.mibbit.com/#muse@irc.rizon.net . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JessicaSarahS Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 . Again?! We don't seem to have much of a need for the live chat thread here, so I'll just leave it locked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 We're positive about a setlist, and the thread is locked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basskid Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 So what is the hashtag people have been using for the requests? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander DeLarge Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Next time someone blames US crowds on the poor setlist quality, they deserve a slap across the face after seeing the crowd tonight in Canada. It's the same two corners as every US gig I did (you know, the only spots we can get after the VIP bullshit) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I rather hope the European VIPs just stand there and stare at them, too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OriAr Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 USoE.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 The gig got CE and Map; I could deal with a shitty piano song. It's not like they rotate in any of the really good ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basskid Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 USoE.... Second night in a city. I expected it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JessicaSarahS Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 We're positive about a setlist, and the thread is locked. There have only been a handful of live posts updating setlists lately and most people seem to use the chat instead. You can discuss the setlist and gig here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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