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I know Muse are shit atm but I think you're underestimating the Europe bias. If I were to roughly guess, taking into account the past + how sets looked before America + things already said by the band:

 

To come back: Map (in rotation), Bliss (in rotation), CE (by request), AP, Reapers (staple again), Stockholm, SFA (in rotation), Sunburn (once or twice), B&H (once or twice), New Born (once or twice), Fury (by request), Dead Star (by request), Assassin (by request), Muscle Museum (by request).

 

To go away/get played less: Feeling Good, Resistance (back to rotation), Revolt (rotated with Defector), Madness (rotated with UD).

 

Guessing at some of the requests, obviously, particularly not-so-confident on MM and Assassin but you never know. Showbiz was apparently promised to be played in London a few months ago (trying to keep it alive :supersad:) so that's possible but I doubt it'll come through tbh.

 

i'm not underestimating the 'europe bias.'

 

i initially said that roughly four slots of crap would be swapped with material that's better.

 

i am throwing the setlists in europe prior to the drones tour right out the window. apples and oranges. indeed -- the stage production is, without any question whatsoever, the pervading, driving factor in what gets played on this tour -- and i don't give a rat's ass in what given country they happen to be playing.

 

that said, your suggestions for song rotations seem reasonable/likely.

 

nevertheless, i remain firm -- the bulk of the existing setlists will not change aside from "improvement" to about four rotation slots. they will not make the setlists longer by any appreciable amount of time, so the issue is what gets swapped -- not added.

 

there will be about seven/eight drones songs played, plus SMBH, starlight, a madness/UD pick 'em, and KOC. add to that perhaps even TIRO. that leaves (a max of) four slots for better material to be injected.

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So you're really not going to the gig you paid for, SerpentSatellite? :(

 

I don't understand either why they treat the US that much differently. That's a complaint I do agree with.

 

Due to some oddness that still baffles me, it's actually two tickets, to TWO gigs, too. :facepalm:

If it was local, I'd be "that guy" and go, for sure; maybe enjoy Mercy, and pray for Revolt. Maybe more, who knows.

 

It's just so damn far away to be dragging two people to be disappointed. And Philly in the winter isn't much choice of vacation spot.

At this stage, as my bf bought an airfare/hotel package before I told him not to, we could take the penalty, and swap the flights to somewhere for a nice vacation, where we could both enjoy ourselves, instead of him trying to do something nice for me, and my having to pretend I wasn't upset the whole time. :chuckle: We've been talking about going to New York, or out west the see the ocean.

I'd still lose like $400, total.

 

If it was just a setlist that isn't to my liking, I'd feel better, but not sure I could really enjoy myself thinking about how the band regards us. Or knowing if I'd manned up and called in to work, I could have seen Bliss or CE which would have made me very happy. (Or Revolt.)

 

And if I'm being truthful, I'm barely healthy enough to make it, and any setbacks with technical difficulties waiting outside for god knows how long would probably mean I'd have to leave.

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Some older songs lose their live spontaneity and energy when played to a metronome, especially when they set the metronome to a tempo much lower than early performances.

 

New Born is a big offender, compare these:

 

 

Ugh, New Born definitely got the worst of this. Feels so slow compared to past tours.

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Ugh, New Born definitely got the worst of this. Feels so slow compared to past tours.

 

New Born's been fine since the stadium leg on T2L tour

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Ugh, New Born definitely got the worst of this. Feels so slow compared to past tours.

 

It's back now though :awesome:

 

Well, the...8 times it's been played this year, at least.

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They finally got New Born right this year, proper tempo and Matt actually playing the piano intro.

 

But of course Muse decide to drop it, and when it comes back it'll probably be slowed right down again.

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I just checked a few:

 

Hullabaloo: 157 bpm

Glasto 2004: 150 bpm

Glasto 2010: 144 bpm

Mayan 2015: 151 bpm

 

So it's actually faster than Glasto 2004 now. :happy:

 

Still needs more post-piano guitar wanking though.

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No T2L tour? That was the real low point. 2012 for sure.

 

Also studio version ranges from 153-157. ~146 during the intro. Just looking at the FoF chart.

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While I am with everyone else on the "we need much better setlists" thing, my two cents...a few are suggesting a Madness rotation and that makes no sense. It was their biggest US hit by miles. It is always going to need to be in US shows for casual fans. Now, UD is a different story which I could do without.

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While I am with everyone else on the "we need much better setlists" thing, my two cents...a few are suggesting a Madness rotation and that makes no sense. It was their biggest US hit by miles. It is always going to need to be in US shows for casual fans. Now, UD is a different story which I could do without.

 

They're rotating Revolt which is their current single. Sense was never a part of this.

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They're rotating Revolt which is their current single. Sense was never a part of this.

 

Reapers is actually the current US single, but yeah.

 

Creep is (one of) Radiohead's biggest song(s) and they hardly ever play that.

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Creep is (one of) Radiohead's biggest song(s) and they hardly ever play that.

 

But that's only because the cover Muse released on Exogenesis IV put the original song in shame. They know they can't match Muse's version so they opt to forget the song.

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Feeling Good needs to die. How is a cover from their second album still being played when they have a ton of their own library to go through?

 

Also, I don't think either of their Staples shows were sell outs. Tickets were still available for both nights through AXS the night before. I had a couple of empty seats around me last night too.

 

Staples night 1 was officially a sell out. AXS released tickets for Friday's show at 3pm on Thursday, which is why you saw some floating around. But the arena was packed.

 

Staples night 2 either sold out late or was close. But the arena was pretty packed for night 2 also.

 

However, I think that there's only a small handful of other North America shows sold out. The tour's definitely been doing worse than past tours. No one's going to look at this one and claim Muse is the next U2 this time.

 

^Metronome basically. Something some musicians use (particularly drummers) in their ear pieces to keep on time and to make things match up exactly with any production (video,pyro,etc.) - I'm not sure how this would entirely affect the audience, as it wouldn't be audible. And this probably isn't the first tour Muse have used click tracks.

 

And that's why that poster seems full of crap. The click track should only be heard in the musician's ears, not the audience's. Not sure how this affects our experience unless he's talking about tempo (like New Born, as everyone's pointed out), which in case he should say tempo.

 

Reapers is actually the current US single, but yeah.

Is it? Damn, LA radio really is shite, cuz I haven't heard it. Then again, ALT 987 is alternative, and KROQ has been following that route and going away from heavy stuff, so not surprised I haven't heard it on air.

 

Now, UD is a different story which I could do without.

AGREED.

 

Creep is (one of) Radiohead's biggest song(s) and they hardly ever play that.

Radiohead is not the same as Muse. They've turned away from commercialism and put on gigs that are more about the music and artistry of the songs. They stopped playing Creep long ago because it was too popular.

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So that's... 634bpm, right - multiplied by six minutes length is 3,804bpm.

 

/music.

 

:facemelt:.

 

Amazing post :LOL:

But that version is terrible. It's fast as fuck but it ruins the song for me :$

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Wash your mouth out son, that version is incredible for the fact it is so fast :LOL:.

 

I kind of agree in parts though; the riff sounds a bit odd at that speed in particular. I love it though because it's so outrageously over the top :awesome:.

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