Psycho/Drones General Tour Discussion Thread

[serpentsatellite]

I'm trying to find it, but there's a very early interview where Matt says they'll get more theatric with this tour and I thought he strongly implied actors on stage.

Hopefully he forgot about that.

 

I'd be really curious if people seeing that coffin scene live thought it was cool or worthwhile.

That was the first real moment I was actually embarassed.

[frozenbanana]

I can see it now.

 

> 20 minute intervals after The Handler and Aftermath (vendors make the rounds selling Muse-patented ice cream and sweets)

> 10 minute encore break after Drones so Matt can catch his breath from not performing

> Band finally comes on-stage after 1 hour and 45 minutes, everyone cheers

> Chris raises a harmonica to his lips

> Everyone leaves

 

[GarthMarenghi]

Maybe they did make the musical after all and we've all just been duped into buying tickets for it

[Johi36]

 

Musical ok, if they perform themselves.

 

But.Not.Actors.

 

[serpentsatellite]

Maybe they did make the musical after all and we've all just been duped into buying tickets for it

 

I'd be ok with this as long as they have to perform AND act it out.

[halo eighteen]

I'm really not sure why they don't have the upper bowl blocked off for Detroit. No way in hell is that going to sell. It's going to feel like quite the intimate show unless they come out and say IL/IN/OH aren't getting any shows. And even then most people probably won't be arsed to travel in the middle of winter with that much short notice.

[White Heat]

They expected to sell like shit so they didn't even bother to try selling the upper bowl in many cities, that's just incredible

[serpentsatellite]

It wasn't that many cities, really.

 

There's just a huge margin between the gigs that sold out immediately and the ones that only sold through GA and the sections directly along the center stage, even though those sections sold well, the catwalk sections are selling slow.

And one or two that still have GA available... The presale to AZ was still open last night, for instance. And Detroit and one of the TX shows had GA available, as well.

[forevermusic]

That's actually disgusting. That would actually ruin the gig for me, right there.

Yeah. It was the very last song and I thought it was a bit of a bad ending. Shame, as after a so-so first song it had been excellent.

I was at that gig and really enjoyed what they did with One; it's a song that everyone in the crowd knows the words to and makes for a good sing along for the final song. Despite it being one of my favs I wasn't disappointed that he didn't sing much of it, everyone around me seemed pretty into it as well but each to their own

I mean, I can handle a little "performer stops for a singalong" - that's basically all With or Without You was there for as well - and the crowd did get into it but it didn't really work for me.

Yeah, true actually. I guess it was mainly the stuff happening on the actual stage that took away from it a bit.

Yeah I do agree the actors were naff. Especially the Feeling Good petrol woman. I liked the giant robot - clearly more than the band did given they edited it out of the Rome film - but having it chase Matt was a bit too hilarious. You can never say no to fire cannons though.

 

I know as well they were initially going to have acrobats do a thing on The Resistance arena tour but it didn't work in rehearsal. Maybe now they've got it out of their system, not least given I would expect them to have mentioned it by now if they were bringing them.

 

I thought The 2nd Law tour stadium show production was better than the Resistance one, which I thought was too high a stage and also too narrow a one, even if it did look cool. I remember being at Milton Keynes Bowl in May 2010 seeing bits of it in rehearsal and thinking it looked good, even if the inflatable test UFO they used looked hilariously terrible.

 

Blackout with Chris performing was a misstep on that tour, but it was a good show I felt, and certainly with decent room to change the setlist around.

inb4 the entire gig is just actors performing a screenplay of Drones while Muse play backstage via video screens[/size]

Well, maybe if they become old and fat enough to do a Vegas casino residency.

[Jobby]

Slightly off-topic but I'm currently catching shit from someone on YT for saying I find MWAH boring and that they should drop a couple of the pointless riffs + jams and start playing more actual songs because, apparently, "everyone would be really upset" Cue the old 'go listen to another band' malarkey etc. etc.

 

Maybe we're all mental and Muse are actually doing everything right. Fuck, I dunno.

[serpentsatellite]

How many people going to a Muse gig would really care if they cut out the jams... interesting question, really.

 

First off, that implies you follow the band enough to know they do them in the first place... and if you DO follow them that closely, you're also aware they're pre-planned, and typically the same year after year, not improvs or real riffing or anything...

 

And anyone who would have their night ruined by the lack of that played out borefest MWAH is not someone who's opinion matters to me.

 

Seriously, though. The band is padding their set time with that shit instead of playing an extra song or two. Would people really rather hear the D&B Jam and MWAH instead of an actual frickin' song?

[forevermusic]

Slightly off-topic but I'm currently catching shit from someone on YT for saying I find MWAH boring and that they should drop a couple of the pointless riffs + jams and start playing more actual songs because, apparently, "everyone would be really upset" Cue the old 'go listen to another band' malarkey etc. etc.

 

Maybe we're all mental and Muse are actually doing everything right. Fuck, I dunno.

 

Its a YouTube comment section. Need I say more?

[Jobby]

How many people going to a Muse gig would really care if they cut out the jams... interesting question, really.

 

First off, that implies you follow the band enough to know they do them in the first place... and if you DO follow them that closely, you're also aware they're pre-planned, and typically the same year after year, not improvs or real riffing or anything...

 

And anyone who would have their night ruined by the lack of that played out borefest MWAH is not someone who's opinion matters to me.

 

Seriously, though. The band is padding their set time with that shit instead of playing an extra song or two. Would people really rather hear the D&B Jam and MWAH instead of an actual frickin' song?

 

According to him, most people complained when they played less riffs/intros/wankery on the T2L Tour and that they've brought them back to appease fans. And when I mentioned sparing a couple of riffs (even just pointless ones like Back In Black etc.) for an actual song or two, he said he (and most other people) would much rather have the riffs. So...yeah, that's the kinda guy we're dealing with

 

Honestly, I think MWAH is a perfect intro to Knights. It's just the fact that it's been done for like 8 years that makes it super pointless at this point. No matter how good a joke is, if you tell the same one for 8 years, that shit's gonna get boring.

[Gemsy]

Slightly off-topic but I'm currently catching shit from someone on YT for saying I find MWAH boring and that they should drop a couple of the pointless riffs + jams and start playing more actual songs because, apparently, "everyone would be really upset" Cue the old 'go listen to another band' malarkey etc. etc.

 

Maybe we're all mental and Muse are actually doing everything right. Fuck, I dunno.

THEY'RE doing everything right to bring in the sort of people who go to see U2 at the O2 and then put on facebook 'I don't even like u2 really but it was a great night out!! the o2 is AWESOME!!!!!!'

[serpentsatellite]

THEY'RE doing everything right to bring in the sort of people who go to see U2 at the O2 and then put on facebook 'I don't even like u2 really but it was a great night out!! the o2 is AWESOME!!!!!!'

 

I know this is the reason for the stage production escalation, and I absolutely hate it.

[LewisF]

Its a YouTube comment section. Need I say more?

 

This.

[Clunge]

Can we please drop the idea the things Muse do in between songs are 'jams'?

 

Jams are off the cuff, spontaneous, improvised things. Everything Muse do on stage these days is rigidly rehearsed.

[Hat]

Can we please drop the idea the things Muse do in between songs are 'jams'?

 

Jams are off the cuff, spontaneous, improvised things. Everything Muse do on stage these days is rigidly rehearsed.

and has been for the majority of their career.

[Frakkles]

Only if you never again say anything about "2004 Muse". ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[matthijs]

Can we please drop the idea the things Muse do in between songs are 'jams'?

 

Jams are off the cuff, spontaneous, improvised things. Everything Muse do on stage these days is rigidly rehearsed.

 

Word. At some point I could just see what song was going to be played because of the guitar, and at what part of the stage they were standing (e.g. TIRO and Bliss were often played with Chris/Matt switching stage sides).

[Hopix]

Only if you never again say anything about "2004 Muse". ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

This. Or anything about Porcupine Tree becoming soulless after Deadwing.

[Alesi08]

Word. At some point I could just see what song was going to be played because of the guitar, and at what part of the stage they were standing (e.g. TIRO and Bliss were often played with Chris/Matt switching stage sides).

 

The roulette wheel was wonderful in that matter.

Red guitar = New Born

Black guitar = Stockholm

[Mc Queen]

Honestly, I think MWAH is a perfect intro to Knights. It's just the fact that it's been done for like 8 years that makes it super pointless at this point. No matter how good a joke is, if you tell the same one for 8 years, that shit's gonna get boring.

I like it. MWAH into Knights imo is just a good intro to a great song, and for me it can remain like that for the rest of the century.

I don't know why you compare it with a joke, which, I agree, becomes boring when you've heard it more than twice. Maybe they can come up with something even better, but at this point I doubt it since MWAH really fits so well. Basically, it's a kind of tease and enables catching a breath for the fans (and Matt ) whilst being elated about what's to come. For those that like it, obviously. Not saying everyone should, but I do.

[Jobby]

I like it. MWAH into Knights imo is just a good intro to a great song, and for me it can remain like that for the rest of the century.

I don't know why you compare it with a joke, which, I agree, becomes boring when you've heard it more than twice. Maybe they can come up with something even better, but at this point I doubt it since MWAH really fits so well. Basically, it's a kind of tease and enables catching a breath for the fans (and Matt ) whilst being elated about what's to come. For those that like it, obviously. Not saying everyone should, but I do.

 

I don't really get the 'it fits well so it should be played forever' argument. I mean, with that logic, surely they should never rotate anything and play the exact same sets + riffs every night (inb4 'but they already do lel'). Resistance into Interlude/Hysteria fits well but I doubt anyone wants that to happen at every gig. They don't necessarily have to come up with something better, just change it up once in a while for the sake of variety and keeping things fresh. Maybe sometimes use the Close Encounters intro or just some chords, both of which are perfectly serviceable intros (the latter would actually work perfectly after Mercy).

 

Also, considering where Knights is in the set and what songs are usually just before it (not to mention the 5 minute encore break), I don't think the crowd really needs a 2 minute long breather.

[Mc Queen]

I don't really get the 'it fits well so it should be played forever' argument. I mean, with that logic, surely they should never rotate anything and play the exact same sets + riffs every night (inb4 'but they already do lel'). Resistance into Interlude/Hysteria fits well but I doubt anyone wants that to happen at every gig. They don't necessarily have to come up with something better, just change it up once in a while for the sake of variety and keeping things fresh. Maybe sometimes use the Close Encounters intro or just some chords, both of which are perfectly serviceable intros (the latter would actually work perfectly after Mercy).

 

Also, considering where Knights is in the set and what songs are usually just before it (not to mention the 5 minute encore break), I don't think the crowd really needs a 2 minute long breather.

Nah, it's miles from that argument. You're interpolating my idea wayyyyy too far there .

 

MWAH into Knights is one intro into one song. For me, that has no relevance to what else is played within the set. It's a bit like the guitar scribbling before some songs where you know what's coming next, just a little longer and with a harmonica instead. As long as there's a short break before that scribbling, there's basically no limit as to which songs can follow each other, leaving aside set flow and stuff (which is important but not for this argument).

I don't request them to change their songs all the time (changing whole verses and stuff) so why would they need to change MWAH? I kind of understand that you're bored with it, but I don't share the sentiment nor your logic, or what you're making of what you wrongly thought was mine.

 

A bit like that one video where they start off a bit with the intro to survival and then play starlight...that is awful imo Starlight is ok but not when you're expecting the full blast of survival that's transition gone wrong! No matter which song came before or after...

 

I want long sets and good songs and good mixes and varieties of songs and sets, but I really like MWAH&Knights as last song. We got finished with Survival at the Loreley, and it was SO frustrating at the time since we were dying for the encore right there, and also with the for the stadium tour unfairly, though ultimately not their fault , short set... finishing at 21 songs which feels pretty good seeing what's on the tour right now. But then, it felt mean.