cfc Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 by observation I came to the conclusion that many muse fans hail muses music as best ever and so on.. this would be ok if I had any proof that these people have any idea what the music represents and what it is trying to say, I mean muse do compose a bit more serious and complex music..what do you think.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Depends on the song. In most cases, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee3Dee Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Depends on the song. In most cases, no. Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Uhm the whole question seems very silly. What music represents is usually something that the band encourage the listener to figure out by themselves, meaning the band don't know themselves. Matt has on several occasions admitted to not really knowing what his lyrics mean. Enjoyment of music because of the idea that they "get" the song isn't more worth than someone who just thinks it sounds good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfc Posted March 1, 2013 Author Share Posted March 1, 2013 actually no.. muses songs have a certain meaning to them and don't believe everything that bellamy says is true since the guy talks in metaphors constantly.. but during live performances and interviews he gives, let's say, clues to where you should concentrate while listening to their music.. if you pay attention to certain songs, every instrument has a role, besides musically, and those instruments (including vocals, inserts, loops, beats..) represent layers to a story which is told by a song, group of songs or an album.. plus listening to muse and not knowing or trying to know the segment that puts their music on the border of art (art rock) is like reading a book (desirably by a pretencious author ) and not knowing what you have read, but calling the material best ever.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sade Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 I have trouble understanding the question, I mean are you talking about the lyrics or the music? But generally, I don't take a lot of the lyrics seriously. I genuinly think Matt has a great level of sincerity in his intentions, especially with the more political ones (maybe not the one about Zetas, ahem) but the overall "we can rise up together to fight the man" message seems to be more about getting the crowd going than truly thinking their music can change anything. I just don't see him as a poignant enough a lyricist to actually say anything of real worth about those topics. So I just usually take them for what they are and concentrate on the music itself. The lyrics dealing with love&relationships I do take seriously, I mean why wouldn't I. As for the music, there obviously are some completely over the top and cheesy moments which induce more than a few grins and/or eyerolls. But if I thought the music overall comes from a humour point of view overall, it would become very tiresome, very soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 actually no.. muses songs have a certain meaning to them and don't believe everything that bellamy says is true since the guy talks in metaphors constantly.. but during live performances and interviews he gives, let's say, clues to where you should concentrate while listening to their music.. if you pay attention to certain songs, every instrument has a role, besides musically, and those instruments (including vocals, inserts, loops, beats..) represent layers to a story which is told by a song, group of songs or an album.. I think you have quite a glorified image of our dear Matt. He does in no way constantly talk in metaphors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfc Posted March 1, 2013 Author Share Posted March 1, 2013 actually I'm one of those people that critisises their bad moves and dislikes their fans for bringing them to the hights for the wrong reasons.. believe me, cause I really like to analyse songs, that their lyrics, even though really simple, are hard to break.. those stories who I have previously mentioned are created by both the lyrics and the music..and, by the way, their lyrics are political, now a bit more, but sometimes scenarios, political ones, are being used to describe the power, growing from minor spots of politicality to the grandeur of beyond the human life (of course to describe our inability to adapt to being powerless)..and plus for bellamy talking in metaphors - he is one strange man, so don't believe a man who says that even he doesn't know his intentions, cause he does (impersonation).. and when I mentioned the verb to talk I meant his lyrics + his occasional references during interviews.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DifferentPerson Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 I think you have quite a glorified image of our dear Matt. He does in no way constantly talk in metaphors. Actually you're wrong. For example: "Disney On Ice. It's like Disney, but on ice." Profound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Arranging songs so that every instrument has its role and writing lyrics about politics and existential issues isn't really a rare trait in music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfc Posted March 1, 2013 Author Share Posted March 1, 2013 not saying it is rare but before you comment again I would recomend you to read my comments one more time.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keth Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 by observation I came to the conclusion that many muse fans hail muses music as best ever and so on.. this would be ok if I had any proof that these people have any idea what the music represents and what it is trying to say, I mean muse do compose a bit more serious and complex music..what do you think.. Some people say it just to show their excitement over how much they like the song that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 I don't even know where to begin so I'm just gonna have a good laugh and then pretend that I never read anything in this thread. That way I hopefully won't lose any sleep over this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naget4music Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Bit hard to take Muse so seriously when they're more OTT than Queen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banksy. Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 I don't think Muse have been serious about their music for a few years now bar one or two songs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfc Posted March 2, 2013 Author Share Posted March 2, 2013 I don't think Muse have been serious about their music for a few years now bar one or two songs good thing you used 'to think' in you comment.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiga Kagekami Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Not for the most part. In any case you really seem to be stuck upon your opinion that people can't enjoy Muse's music for what it is. To them. I mean, I headbang to Survival's riff but I don't really care what Matt is singing. It just sounds beefy (and that the lyrics are mehh). Can I care about it? Yes, yes I can. But do I want to care about it? Nope, not really. Of course, there are exceptions, especially the more emotional songs. You can feel free to find depth and meaning into what they do, but let's admit it - it's a subjective matter. And of course I might getting you wrong because, language thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyduh Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Different people enjoy music differently. You can't tell people how to listen to Muse's music, but if you choose to believe Matt is going to bother leaving clues in interviews then good for you. I'll have fun over here jamming to Panic Station without dissecting every part of the song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Is this another conspiracy theory topic? And music that's just meant to be fun can still be taken seriously; they're not mutually exclusive. They're not, like, Tenacious D, for piss sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyduh Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Is this another conspiracy theory topic? i'm getting some conspiracy theory vibes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will_ Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 I don't think Muse have been serious about their music for a few years now bar one or two songs They're definitely serious about their music. But yeah, hardly any of their songs from the past 2 albums have been particularly serious. Only ones I'd pick out that are genuinely serious are Chris' tracks, Animals and MK. Follow Me and Explorers' lyrics are about serious-ish subjects I guess but musically they're not Is this another conspiracy theory topic? And music that's just meant to be fun can still be taken seriously; they're not mutually exclusive. They're not, like, Tenacious D, for piss sake. Hey, I can still take Tenacious D seriously The idea of slicing a dragon's cockles with a long and shiny blade evokes many metaphors and plausible meanings to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter. Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 I love their music but their lyrics are usually average to bad. (few exceptions being Hoodoo, MotP etc) most of Muse's lyrics are either shadowy thoughts about something even Matt can't describe properly, or just straightforward cheese. it really isn't the lyrics I listen to Muse for. it's fun to read comments on Muse yt videos trying to interpret the lyrics somehow:LOL: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zolic Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Hey, I can still take Tenacious D seriously The idea of slicing a dragon's cockles with a long and shiny blade evokes many metaphors and plausible meanings to me. I think 39 could be the deepest and most meaningful song ever created actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyduh Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 I love their music but their lyrics are usually average to bad. (few exceptions being Hoodoo, MotP etc) I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangeseas Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Tbh I always thought Matt can write some pretty good lyrics, if he really tries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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