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Continuing the discussion from the other thread, any ideas for the middle part of the song?

Given some of the stuff that was sort of 'hidden' in the main part... well, at least I have a better idea of the thought process now. 

I'll get a flashy trailer video up soon, and then the actual video with the 10000000% correct effect... which will then turn out to be only 9999999% correct like that guy who covered MOTP and had his whammy malfunction on the first measure. 

But it happens to the best of us. Unless we don't actually use a MIDI track like that one guy who used raw talent instead. 

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@james90 Does your Whammy have a slight pause when switching settings with program change commands? Mine cuts out for a very short time while switching but it's noticeable in a recording, and makes unsustainable sound a bit average. 

 

It's a whammy 4 so just wondering if the 5 and DT don't have this delay..

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1 hour ago, order66 said:

@james90 Does your Whammy have a slight pause when switching settings with program change commands? Mine cuts out for a very short time while switching but it's noticeable in a recording, and makes unsustainable sound a bit average. 

 

It's a whammy 4 so just wondering if the 5 and DT don't have this delay..

 

Nope, but I wouldn't think it's your pedal. I've not used the whammy 4 recently, but don't recall anything like that happening (even with the faster switching commands)

Unless there's some kind of latency issue, it's most likely the timing of the MIDI events in the file. Can you post a screen shot of some of the program changes on the event list or where they happen on the grid? 

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Very nice! It took me about five minutes to load the damn video but it sounds ridiculously accurate, not just the notes but the tone/effects as well. How the hell have you done that? :LOL:

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5 hours ago, Bs said:

Very nice! It took me about five minutes to load the damn video but it sounds ridiculously accurate, not just the notes but the tone/effects as well. How the hell have you done that? :LOL:

 

Thanks Bs, that's the next best thing to being #JaicenApproved. I'll take it. 

Five minutes? Bs, you got booted from that library. You shouldn't be stealing their wifi either.

How did I do it? Well... the 'making of' video was key in knowing what to actually play, and that helped figure out how to set the whammy up. Though it wasn't quite as simple as that, so a fair bit of trial and error was involved.

As for the sound, I haven't quite got that down. In the video it's a fuzz factory going direct, though there's some other stuff going on to make it work a bit better going after the whammy. It doesn't sound right when placed before, and when simply placed after, it just sounds bad. So I'm still experimenting with that.

 

 

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My internet's fine, haha! I thought it was the site you'd used to upload the video or something, but never mind!

That's pretty cool. I didn't realise it was a Fuzz Factory and Whammy going together, I didn't even know that was possible without it sounding completely terrible.

I thought you might have been doing some kind amp modelling thing or something, but whatever it was sounded pretty much spot on.

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7 hours ago, Bs said:

My internet's fine, haha! I thought it was the site you'd used to upload the video or something, but never mind!

That's pretty cool. I didn't realise it was a Fuzz Factory and Whammy going together, I didn't even know that was possible without it sounding completely terrible.

I thought you might have been doing some kind amp modelling thing or something, but whatever it was sounded pretty much spot on.

 

It's uploaded here actually. Might be the fact that I took the video on my iPhone 8 and that

Yeah, you can sort of get away with using the whammy before the fuzz factory, but you need a buffer of sorts between the two. It still doesn't work the same as it does when in front of everything else though.

I don't know what was used in the actual recording - it certainly sounds like a direct fuzz factory, but for all I know he might have profiled it onto the kemper first. Maybe that's why there's still oscillation in the background even with the guitar being played.

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Perfect opportunity to use the #NotForSale hashtag but I declined the message. :facepalm:

Also, anyone using cubase for this? Trying to transfer the MIDI file to a cubase project, but haven't figured out how to import the automation properly. Program changes seem to be fine though.

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6 hours ago, james90 said:

Also, anyone using cubase for this? Trying to transfer the MIDI file to a cubase project, but haven't figured out how to import the automation properly. Program changes seem to be fine though.

I tried with cubase a few days ago, but it makes the automation sound all glitchy so it's not smooth at all. 

I haven't got a clue how to use it properly to set the automation to be smoother though :facepalm:.

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11 hours ago, nerd herd said:

I tried with cubase a few days ago, but it makes the automation sound all glitchy so it's not smooth at all. 

I haven't got a clue how to use it properly to set the automation to be smoother though :facepalm:.

 

Is that the file that's floating around in a certain facebook group? It shouldn't be happening with that one

And I know why it's doing it. It's just that I can't figure out how to transfer the automation data properly. Even importing the MIDI file back into Logic gives the same result... (see example below)

it seems to be a function that the DAW is responsible for, which isn't actually saved to a MIDI file.

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On 3/16/2019 at 1:43 AM, james90 said:

 

Is that the file that's floating around in a certain facebook group? It shouldn't be happening with that one

And I know why it's doing it. It's just that I can't figure out how to transfer the automation data properly. Even importing the MIDI file back into Logic gives the same result... (see example below)

it seems to be a function that the DAW is responsible for, which isn't actually saved to a MIDI file.

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It is. I can't get the whammy parts to sound the same as your video though.

Cubase shows the automation as a solid line like that picture, so I'm not sure what's causing it to sound glitchy. Maybe some MIDI setting deep in a menu I haven't found yet/don't know how to use.

 

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11 hours ago, nerd herd said:

It is. I can't get the whammy parts to sound the same as your video though.

Cubase shows the automation as a solid line like that picture, so I'm not sure what's causing it to sound glitchy. Maybe some MIDI setting deep in a menu I haven't found yet/don't know how to use.

 

 

Which whammy are you using? I've tested it with the 4 and 5, but don't have a DT. Only difference is the program change CCs

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9 hours ago, james90 said:

 

Which whammy are you using? I've tested it with the 4 and 5, but don't have a DT. Only difference is the program change CCs

DT, but I'll try it with the 4 later.

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9 hours ago, nerd herd said:

DT, but I'll try it with the 4 later.

 

It might have the wrong program change CCs. I know the whammy 4 and 5 don't match what's in the manual (at least mine don't) and I have to subtract 1 from them, so I did the same for the DT. Maybe that's not the case. Does it start on -2 octave?

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