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Okay, read up a bit, but say I wanted to create a MIDI file for MOTP...that'd be a lot of MIDI clips wouldn't it? Or is there an easier way

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Okay, read up a bit, but say I wanted to create a MIDI file for MOTP...that'd be a lot of MIDI clips wouldn't it? Or is there an easier way

 

Wasn't MOTP a vocoder? Pretty easy to emulate using the vocoder in Ableton anyway.

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Wasn't MOTP a vocoder? Pretty easy to emulate using the vocoder in Ableton anyway.

 

You wha? Vocoder? I'm just trying to replicate the pitch shifting guitar effect using the whammy iuno. Used to have a Cubase file for it when I had a Windows computer but don't have Cubase anymore so trying to make an Ableton equivalent, and just learn how to use it in general

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You wha? Vocoder? I'm just trying to replicate the pitch shifting guitar effect using the whammy iuno. Used to have a Cubase file for it when I had a Windows computer but don't have Cubase anymore so trying to make an Ableton equivalent, and just learn how to use it in general

 

The "pitch shifting" guitar was done using a vocoder going by some interview the band gave.

The Whammy thing came about as people tried working out how to do it and most guitarists don't tend to have synths.

 

Ableton is incredible for applying audio effects. I've got so used to Effects Rack now that other DAWs seem so dated.

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I can't remember how I did it now Dom, but do remember figuring it out through the help manual and possibly YouTube videos about programming midi commands.

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The "pitch shifting" guitar was done using a vocoder going by some interview the band gave.

The Whammy thing came about as people tried working out how to do it and most guitarists don't tend to have synths.

 

Ableton is incredible for applying audio effects. I've got so used to Effects Rack now that other DAWs seem so dated.

 

I think it's common knowledge it was a midi controlled pitch shifter.

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I think it's common knowledge it was a midi controlled pitch shifter.

 

There was an interview about it at the time and no mention of a MIDI controlled pitch shifter, but talking about synths and stuff.

 

I have tried it both ways mind. Vocoder worked better as it could deal with chords from a guitar, whereas the Whammy can't at all. I even posted a sample of doing it with a vocoder, but no one gave a shit.

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There was an interview about it at the time and no mention of a MIDI controlled pitch shifter, but talking about synths and stuff.

 

I have tried it both ways mind. Vocoder worked better as it could deal with chords from a guitar, whereas the Whammy can't at all. I even posted a sample of doing it with a vocoder, but no one gave a shit.

 

Link?

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Link?

 

Probs need the MOTP thread or something. Few too many years ago to remember which magazine!

 

Talks about a Nord synthesiser or something.

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Matt has a Clavia Nord Modular G2 Engine in his rack for playing it live.

 

Thats the one. Its that processing the audio. I have absolutely no idea why anyone would choose to use a VA synth to send MIDI data to another device.

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Thats the one. Its that processing the audio. I have absolutely no idea why anyone would choose to use a VA synth to send MIDI data to another device.

 

Cos they can't afford a nord whatever?

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Cos they can't afford a nord whatever?

 

Thats just clutching at straws.

 

Unless its a stage prop, it'll be serving a function. A hardware synthesizer is never going to be the best device for editing and sending MIDI data to other devices, unless its serving as a MIDI thru as part of a larger setup. Other hardware or software will be triggering MIDI.

 

Muse said it themselves in an interview and its there in the setup, so its not a Whammy and never has been. Maybe give a vocoder a go and see what you think.

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Still a kinda pointless conversation to be honest, ignoring MotP then, There's a few other songs I know which use a DAW or something to control a Whammy via MIDI. One of them being Unsustainable for example since I imagine pretty much everyone on here knows the song, and what would be the simplest way to control the mode switching on the whammy via MIDI on that with a Mac?

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Different clips in arrange view is all I can think of for Ableton, unless you want to get into Max4Live.

 

Otherwise get Cubase or Logic (Not too sure about how to do it in Logic, never used it in that way).

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Oh yeah, I used logic not ableton

 

Apparently I have Logic Pro on this...never use it.

 

How do I go about doing it on Logic then? Completely new to it

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I might be able to help with that - I'm somewhat familiar with how to control MIDI devices in logic. I only have logic express though.

 

So you just want to set it up to control the whammy?

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I might be able to help with that - I'm somewhat familiar with how to control MIDI devices in logic. I only have logic express though.

 

So you just want to set it up to control the whammy?

 

Yeah, just be able to control the treadle position and switch between different modes

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Yeah, just be able to control the treadle position and switch between different modes

 

Go to the piano roll and just above "Mixer" there'll be 3 lines, click on that and a new window is brought up and with the down arrow, select program change which is second to last.

 

Although Logic seems to have a problem seeing MIDI outputs so I'm not sure how I can test it to see if it works properly.

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