Hat Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 I don't really wanna listen to either one of the two. Both of them are horrible albums imo, and only work as individual songs at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 I don't really wanna listen to either one of the two. Both of them are horrible albums imo, and only work as individual songs at best. I remember like 6 months ago you were saying "The 2nd Law is an amazing album" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 I remember like 6 months ago you were saying "The 2nd Law is an amazing album" Nah, I said it was an incredible step up from TR. It was more energetic and felt more inspired. But it still didn't work as an album. I specifically remember telling Clunge who was praising the flow on the release day that he'll change his mind as soon as the hype disappears, because it really worked(and works) awfully as a coherent album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Nah, I said it was an incredible step up from TR. It was more energetic and felt more inspired. But it still didn't work as an album. I specifically remember telling Clunge who was praising the flow on the release day that he'll change his mind as soon as the hype disappears, because it really worked(and works) awfully as a coherent album. I specifically remember those words in the ymt thread but I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter. Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Muse should listen to some Electric Wizard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unidentifiable Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 I respectfully postulate, though, that the amount of people who listen to an album who KNOW of the band (and more that liked the first album) and dislike the new album (at least to the extent of the complaints in my first post) would be higher than people who weren't familiar with the band/previous album. I've fallen prey to this myself, a few times. I loathed Madness before I even got all the way through it. (Survival doesn't count... I still dislike it strongly.) This is because, if you're already into an artist, you rate at least one of their previous albums really highly by default, because it got you into them. This is fairly obvious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 I specifically remember those words in the ymt thread but I agree.Oh yeah, in YMT. Like that matters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Ferris Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Before making the album, the band should be forced to only listen to Tool, Oceansize and Amplifier. This looks suspiciously like a post I put up last year. Maybe I was being overzealous with that. I think maybe something like Pelican and Russian Circles territory would suit Muse better than the likes of Isis. I'd have no problem with a couple of long songs, but I don't think they could pull off a whole album of massive tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadStaaar Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 This is because, if you're already into an artist, you rate at least one of their previous albums really highly by default, because it got you into them. This is fairly obvious Or because its the best one. TR and T2L are just pretty clunky in their entirety and contain a number of weaker tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 This is because, if you're already into an artist, you rate at least one of their previous albums really highly by default, because it got you into them. This is fairly obvious dat flawed logic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 This is because, if you're already into an artist, you rate at least one of their previous albums really highly by default, because it got you into them. This is fairly obvious Not necessarily, The Bends is what initially got me into Radiohead but I really don't rate that album much at all anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiT Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 What I'd be happy to hear next: -At least one or two longer songs where it starts with a melancholic piano and builds up to something huge /or ends with a piano. But longer than 6 minutes. -More Drop D riffages -Darker post-rock/shoegaze territory with longer songs -Space rock; something dramatic like Space Dementia outro -No pop wankery -a whole song with opera falsettos -unusual song structures with unexpected math-rockish/post-hardcore elements (never gonna happen though:DD) -keeping the arpeggio synth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzthief Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 What I'd be happy to hear next: -At least one or two longer songs where it starts with a melancholic piano and builds up to something huge /or ends with a piano. But longer than 6 minutes. -More Drop D riffages -Darker post-rock/shoegaze territory with longer songs -Space rock; something dramatic like Space Dementia outro -No pop wankery -a whole song with opera falsettos -unusual song structures with unexpected math-rockish/post-hardcore elements (never gonna happen though:DD) -keeping the arpeggio synth Would love to see this happen. And lol at no pop wank. Not gonna happen, mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 >hating a whole genre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzthief Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 >hating a whole genre But it's pop ugh the whole genre omg bieber is so bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Ferris Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 >hating a whole genre Touché. What's so awful about Muse writing some poppy songs? I'd feel something was lacking if we got an album with just long, odd songs. I'd like them to pull off something on the level of Superunknown, which has sprawling epics alongside really great singles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Also >loving Little Sister (that's the one, right?) >claiming to be hating pop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Honestly, I'm getting a bit tired of pop Muse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter. Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 I already accepted that Muse have a poppy side. And I don't mind songs like that on an album, they just have to make sure to put some good songs on there, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Ferris Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Honestly, I'm getting a bit tired of pop Muse. I didn't mean so much "Muse playing pop songs", but the likes of Hysteria, Bliss ectr. I want to rephrase that, but my brain's failing me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 I already accepted that Muse have a poppy side. And I don't mind songs like that on an album, they just have to make sure to put some good songs on there, too. It doesn't mean they're bad. I love their pop songs, and I know they've always written pretty conventional stuff, but I just really want to see them try something less standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiT Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 >hating a whole genre We've had this discussion a million times. Clearly it all comes down to what you consider pop. If you consider Little Sister and Madness, how the fuck can you place them in the same level of poppiness:LOL: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 I already accepted that Muse have a poppy side. And I don't mind songs like that on an album, they just have to make sure to put some good songs on there, too. lol you guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Ferris Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 It doesn't mean they're bad. I love their pop songs, and I know they've always written pretty conventional stuff, but I just really want to see them try something less standard. Exactly, with some accessible stuff to anchor it. That's why I pointed specifically to Superunknown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaking Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 What I'd be happy to hear next: -At least one or two longer songs where it starts with a melancholic piano and builds up to something huge /or ends with a piano. But longer than 6 minutes. -More Drop D riffages -Darker post-rock/shoegaze territory with longer songs -Space rock; something dramatic like Space Dementia outro -No pop wankery -a whole song with opera falsettos -unusual song structures with unexpected math-rockish/post-hardcore elements (never gonna happen though:DD) -keeping the arpeggio synth This ... but the opposite (not exactly but you get the idea). Honestly, I'm getting a bit tired of pop Muse. When it's the only consistently good Muse, I'll take it. I just want good songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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