serpentsatellite Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 I wrote off Follow Me on the description of the song, though, not on the title. Which, was actually true of most of the songs on the last few albums, where I just got totally the wrong opinions from most of the descriptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Ferris Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 I wrote off Follow Me on the description of the song, though, not on the title. Which, was actually true of most of the songs on the last few albums, where I just got totally the wrong opinions from most of the descriptions. Reviews didn't help. Apart from DiS talking about T2L (being honest with it basically being a mixtape, particularly), lots of them geared me up for entirely the wrong album. I came at The Resistance expecting something much weirder and less accessible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 I hope Drones is also the best song off it cause if not the album title is totally wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 I felt the same about TR. Reviews and interviews with the band made it seems a lot more extremely different, when I thought it was probably the most mundane of the Muse albums, for the most part, when you exclude Exo. Very radio friendly, even. Madness also was clearly not what I was expecting, and I wonder if I would have been as negative about it if I didn't have those expectations. Actually, probably... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Ferris Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 I felt the same about TR. Reviews and interviews with the band made it seems a lot more extremely different, when I thought it was probably the most mundane of the Muse albums, for the most part, when you exclude Exo. Very radio friendly, even. Madness also was clearly not what I was expecting, and I wonder if I would have been as negative about it if I didn't have those expectations. Actually, probably... Absolutely. All that talk of aerial warfare samples, etc. Looking back, I was basically expecting a guitar-based equivalent to Nine Inch Nails' Year Zero. Madness, and much of TR as well, grew on me considerably when I accepted what they were rather than the sound I'd been led to expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That_Italian_Guy Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Reviews didn't help. Apart from DiS talking about T2L (being honest with it basically being a mixtape, particularly), lots of them geared me up for entirely the wrong album. I came at The Resistance expecting something much weirder and less accessible. Lol, i still remember some reviews praising the shit out of Explorers, and the song actually turned out being one of the worst things on T2L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Absolutely. All that talk of aerial warfare samples, etc. Looking back, I was basically expecting a guitar-based equivalent to Nine Inch Nails' Year Zero. Madness, and much of TR as well, grew on me considerably when I accepted what they were rather than the sound I'd been led to expect. And that "aerial warfare" sample leading into Guiding Light... Despite having the most songs I currently skip (I guess I'd have to counts up the ones I skip on Showbiz...) a lot of TR grew on me, and I always like most of T2L. But yes, it was massively disappointing at first if I'm being honest. Lol, i still remember some reviews praising the shit out of Explorers, and the song actually turned out being one of the worst things on T2L Of course, that's extremely subjective... as I really like the song, and it's actually my bf's favorite on the album. And clearly some of the reviewers held similar opinions. Not really an example of descriptions not matching what songs actually are; mostly just someone having an opinion different than yours, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Ferris Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 And that "aerial warfare" sample leading into Guiding Light... Oh yeah. It was also weird that the conceptual stuff only really came in at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonisdead Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Oh yeah. It was also weird that the conceptual stuff only really came in at the end. The first two tracks plus MK Ultra were the only strictly Orwellian tracks in concept Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Ferris Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 The tone was also fairly all over the place, too, even with songs that had similar subject matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 The concept of colonizing other planets to save the human race in Exo was stronger than the 1984 concepts of the earlier songs, by far. There were some vague concepts in songs like Uprising, and usage of the terminology like in Resistance, but that still didn't make it a very strong (or cohesive) concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redneonfish Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 The first two tracks plus MK Ultra were the only strictly Orwellian tracks in concept And USoE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen_Eraser Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Lol, i still remember some reviews praising the shit out of Explorers, and the song actually turned out being one of the worst things on T2L Yeah they compared it to Blackout and that got me really excited. In reality Explorers is on par with Feeling Good. There are good things about the song actually though, and the vocal performance is extremely good. But that's not enough to make me enjoy a song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonisdead Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 USoE was pretty far from the theme since it called for uniting; an Orwellian society is already totalitarian and "united" albeit under a corrupt system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redneonfish Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 USoE was pretty far from the theme since it called for uniting; an Orwellian society is already totalitarian and "united" albeit under a corrupt system. Well seeing as it's named after one of the continents at war in 1984, I think it's pretty safe to say it was inspired by 'Orwellian' themes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 USoE was pretty far from the theme since it called for uniting; an Orwellian society is already totalitarian and "united" albeit under a corrupt system. I always looked at USoE as being from the POV of, like, propaganda for (corrupt) globalization. Maybe that's just me wanting the song to be slightly as sarcastic as it sounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonisdead Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Fair enough. I think it's interesting though that everyone here says always that Muse always makes weak concept albums. What would be indicative of a strong concept album in Muse terms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Ferris Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 I always looked at USoE as being from the POV of, like, propaganda for (corrupt) globalization. Maybe that's just me wanting the song to be slightly as sarcastic as it sounds. Same. That impression was reinforced by the visuals when I saw it played live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Fair enough. I think it's interesting though that everyone here says always that Muse always makes weak concept albums. What would be indicative of a strong concept album in Muse terms? What do you mean with "in Muse terms"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
church Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Fair enough. I think it's interesting though that everyone here says always that Muse always makes weak concept albums. What would be indicative of a strong concept album in Muse terms? Well they'd have actually have a real concept album for us to judge really. I can't think of an album they have with a wholly unifying theme or story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonisdead Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 What do you mean with "in Muse terms"? Basically what would Matt have to do to make a record seem like a cohesive concept album, considering his past "efforts" have been panned? Well they'd have actually have a real concept album for us to judge really. I can't think of an album they have with a wholly unifying theme or story. The closest they've gotten was Absolution, but even then it was only so-called in retrospect, all the songs written ended up having a similar theme but it kind of happened as an accident, inferred from Matt's surprise/dialogue in the Making of Absolution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
church Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Basically what would Matt have to do to make a record seem like a cohesive concept album, considering his past "efforts" have been panned? The closest they've gotten was Absolution, but even then it was only so-called in retrospect, all the songs written ended up having a similar theme but it kind of happened as an accident, inferred from Matt's surprise/dialogue in the Making of Absolution Abso was close, yes, but I don't know. It just never felt...... whole or complete. I mean I find easily their best but its just not quite whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dip Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Arguably, all albums have a concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Basically what would Matt have to do to make a record seem like a cohesive concept album, considering his past "efforts" have been panned? Making it cohesive would be a good start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 I'd take a collection of great songs; cohesion and/or concept albums never concerned me much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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