Hat Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Explorers wait what Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Unsustainable, Liquid State, Follow Me, Save Me, Animals and Isolated System (to an extent) have no "glaringly obvious influence" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Little Animal Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Unsustainable, Liquid State, Follow Me, Save Me, Animals and Isolated System (to an extent) have no "glaringly obvious influence" Only animals doesn't ring a bell directly. The rest definitely does, especially Isolated System. It rings a massive tubular bell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareeh Posted September 27, 2012 Author Share Posted September 27, 2012 Unsustainable, Liquid State, Follow Me, Save Me, Animals and Isolated System (to an extent) have no "glaringly obvious influence" Skrillex lol? Follow Me okay, but it is Nero produced so we can't tell what it would have sounded like beforehand. Isolated System - there is a few, Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells the obvious one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Only animals doesn't ring a bell directly. The rest definitely does, especially Isolated System. It rings a massive tubular bell. Ok it's twinkling piano, but when the songs starts to build is not that similar anymore. And Unsustainable is similar to Zimmer, but is that influence comparable to those in Panic Station and/or Madness? And Follow Me? Just 30stm or Bono for the vocals in the ending? Save Me? Porcupine Tree? Not THAT similar. Liquid State? QOTSA? Same as above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Skrillex lol? Follow Me okay, but it is Nero produced so we can't tell what it would have sounded like beforehand. Isolated System - there is a few, Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells the obvious one. Oh yes, Skrillex is the only electronic artist with bass drops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Little Animal Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Ok it's twinkling piano, but when the songs starts to build is not that similar anymore. And Unsustainable is similar to Zimmer, but is that influence comparable to those in Panic Station and/or Madness? And Follow Me? Just 30stm or Bono for the vocals in the ending? Save Me? Porcupine Tree? Not THAT similar. Liquid State? QOTSA? Same as above. I don't hear direct influences on Chris' songs, just similarities in style and voice. Pretty much every other song is an obvious attempt to sound like someone else or has certain elements and melodies that I can't place outside the context of the song or artist that inspired it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumpypotato Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Honestly, Isolated System felt more inspired by an entire genre then any particular artists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareeh Posted September 27, 2012 Author Share Posted September 27, 2012 Oh yes, Skrillex is the only electronic artist with bass drops I quote Muse: 'We took inspiration from Skrillex' ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Little Animal Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 I quote Muse: 'We took inspiration from Skrillex' ? And while we're at it, a list of admitted influences on this album by Muse: U2 Hans Zimmer Beach Boys Skrillex Queen Prince QOTSA Mark Knopfler Anything else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 I quote Muse: 'We took inspiration from Skrillex' ? But what they meant is that they went to see him live, and noticed how energy his music has in a live setting, and they wanted to replicate that kind of music (= the whole genre) with guitar-bass-drums. They didn't mean "we heard him and we thought "let's copy him but with guitars! :awesome:" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareeh Posted September 27, 2012 Author Share Posted September 27, 2012 But what they meant is that they went to see him live, and noticed how energy his music has in a live setting, and they wanted to replicate that kind of music (= the whole genre) with guitar-bass-drums. They didn't mean "we heard him and we thought "let's copy him but with guitars! :awesome:" You do know that's pretty much the case with every mentioned artists I'm not going to argue about Skrillex's influence on Unsustainable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumpypotato Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 I'm not going to argue about Skrillex's influence on Unsustainable Then why were you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeSides Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Isolated System? The other 3 I'll let you off with but at a push they are the only 3 in the album without the overwhelming imitations. i love it but liquid state could easily be a foos song. dave grohl did touch chris in a special place after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 What's "Foo Fighters" about Liquid State? can't hear it at all. That's Queens of the Stone Age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Little Animal Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 What's "Foo Fighters" about Liquid State? can't hear it at all. That's Queens of the Stone Age. Chris' voice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareeh Posted September 27, 2012 Author Share Posted September 27, 2012 Then why were you? Unsustainable is inspired by Skrillex, fact not opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamyu02 Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Not to mention Tool, Wagner, Chopin, QOTSA/Kyuss, Deftones, Jeff Buckley, System of a Down, Justice (since BH&R, along with Depeche Mode), U2 (ballsy, experimental early 90s U2 that is)... Look, Muse have always thrown a hundred or so influences into their albums and they pull it off with enough wit and originality to justify it. Better than how plenty of bands just take one influence and use it for a single song. Everyone has influences, whether people consider they're subtle or not. The fallacy of actual ''originality'' (whenever it's not preceded by technological advancements) in music is as big as that of literature, Borges would say. I didn't think they have ripped off Queen or Rachmaninov back then just because they're there on OOS. Better than how plenty of bands just take one influence and use it for a single song. Lol Oasis . That i can respect from Muse. Eclecticism, that's the difference between the good artists and the greatest artists. At least they didn't try to repeat themselves with another OOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevmamen96 Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Skrillex lol? Follow Me okay, but it is Nero produced so we can't tell what it would have sounded like beforehand. Isolated System - there is a few, Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells the obvious one. Tubular Bells is one of my favorite songs of all time, so when I heard Isolated System was going to sound like it I was excited. When I first heard the song, my reaction was: "wait, this doesn't sound like it at all." I guess it might have a similar timbre, but it's not nearly as relentless and isn't melodically similar either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spark_ Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Honestly, Isolated System felt more inspired by an entire genre then any particular artists. Yeah with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spark_ Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Hmmm bit different than extremely obvious U2, Queen and Paul McCartney rip-offs. Rachmaninov was an influence, these are imitations. Plus the Rachmaninov effort was one of a couple of influences on the album, not one out of twenty. Rachmaninoff is the one artist you could say Muse have ripped off, to be honest, as they've wholesale lifted big chunks of the 2nd Concerto's harmonic/melodic line to use as the basis for their songs on several occasions. I mean, not just similar - but the same. Maybe transposed. Not a weakness ftr, as these songs are actually generally amongst their best for me. They should do it more often, if anything. EDIT: Having said that, the counterargument is that this isn't really "ripping off" as Muse weren't trying to sound like Rachmaninoff (obviously) - they were just strongly inspired by him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dramatic Hammer Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Chris' voice. He sounds more like the guy from Pendulum to me. Also the vocal melody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Ferris Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Tubular Bells is one of my favorite songs of all time, so when I heard Isolated System was going to sound like it I was excited. When I first heard the song, my reaction was: "wait, this doesn't sound like it at all." I guess it might have a similar timbre, but it's not nearly as relentless and isn't melodically similar either. My first thought was Ashtray Wasp by Burial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spark_ Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 My first thought was Ashtray Wasp by Burial. Haha, really? Don't hear it. I mean, I adore it, but I'm not hearing it. EDIT: Oh I guess the whole off-beat emphasis thing is kinda reminiscent, if I think about it hard enough... EDIT2: I guess the fact that they're almost the same tempo also counts... EDIT3: Oh wow now I really can hear it. Wow, I never even thought of that - I didn't expect the tempos to be so similar. That's really quite neat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillyracer Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Chris can hardly change his voice so people won't whine about them ripping off another band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.