FabriPav Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Got to agree with this thread. It's definitely my main problem with Muse at the moment, they have been almost entirely consumed by their influences. Take Madness: I can just imagine them thinking "we need a guitar solo here...just stick on one of our classic, trademark solos" then bust out what is essentially I Want To Break Free. Influences are obviously a positive thing and it is of course up to the bands discretion, but they've had too many songs influenced by the same bands - it's always Queen, U2 or maybe (if we're lucky) RATM. They're not Queen, U2 or RATM so I think they should just calm it down a bit. So if muse basically ripped off a band you didn't know, you would have been ok with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXOPOLITICIAN Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 So if muse basically ripped off a band you didn't know, you would have been ok with it? Well that's not what I said at all, so no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumpypotato Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Let's complete the list, just for fun. Feel free to add: Supremacy - Andrew Lloyd Webber - Whoever composed the main Bond theme - Led Zeppelin - The Wings Madness - Queen - U2 - George Michael Panic Station - Stevie Wonder - INXS - Michael Jackson - Queen - Wild Cherry - Red Hot Chili Peppers - Primus - George Michael - Prince Prelude - Eric Carmen Survival - Queen Follow Me - Gloria Gaynor - Nero (Well... you know) - U2 - Johnny Cash' cover of Bridge of Trouble Water Animals - Radiohead - QOTSA (I don't hear it, but that's what Matt said) - Dire Straits - Muse Explorers - Queen - The Beatles - Keane Big Freeze - U2 - Beatles Save Me - Beach Boys - Porcupine Tree (Steve Wilson) Liquid State - Foo Fighters - QOTSA - Tool Unsustainable - Hans Zimmer - Skrillex Isolated System - Philip Glass - John Carpenter - Mike Oldfield Got some damn fine influences, so who really cares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Well that's not what I said at all, so no. I mean without you noticing the influence-ispiration-ripping off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXOPOLITICIAN Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 I mean without you noticing the influence-ispiration-ripping off If I'd never heard of Queen before I heard USoE, Survival, Madness (minus the harmonies) and Panic Station I obviously wouldn't have made the connection but that wouldn't change the fact that they're working their way through Queen's back catalogue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumpypotato Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 I mean without you noticing the influence-ispiration-ripping off your logic is very lol worthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Little Animal Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Got some damn fine influences, so who really cares Everybody who listens to their music and forms an opinion cares, whether that opinion is positive or negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamyu02 Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Radiohead and RATM have always been there. Queen and Prince come into play at BHAR. Now a flood of influences. (ignoring classical artists at the moment) uhm?. But Queen has always been there, especially since OOS. I think you forgot Nirvana as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumpypotato Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Everybody who listens to their music and forms an opinion cares, whether that opinion is positive or negative. Was this comment really necessary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShipOfFools Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 They just sound like Muse. And that's good enough to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piranhaconda Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Animals - QOTSA (I don't hear it, but that's what Matt said) Check out Hangin' Tree. Odds are he liked the groove and the breakdowns and then it morphed into something more of their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee3Dee Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 They just sound like Muse. And that's good enough to me. You're right, they just sound like Muse. ...and Queen. ....and U2. ........Oh, and Philip Glass. .......and Queens of the Stone Age. .........and a bit of Radiohead. .......and everything else listed in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Ferris Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 uhm?. But Queen has always been there, especially since OOS. I think you forgot Nirvana as well. Not to mention Tool, Wagner, Chopin, QOTSA/Kyuss, Deftones, Jeff Buckley, System of a Down, Justice (since BH&R, along with Depeche Mode), U2 (ballsy, experimental early 90s U2 that is)... Look, Muse have always thrown a hundred or so influences into their albums and they pull it off with enough wit and originality to justify it. Better than how plenty of bands just take one influence and use it for a single song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will_ Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Me and my old man were rhyming off artists the 2nd Law mimics or has similarities too today and we got one for every song, and as we all know they aren't exactly subtle. So my question is: does it take anything away from the album as a whole in your opinion, are Muse losing or still finding their sound, and is it all becoming a bit too much? Discuss Initially I agree with the comments made but it does bother me there is no New Born or Stockholm Syndrome or Knights of Cydonia or Uprising or Showbiz to this album - and by that I mean a song that has Muse written all over it, without a Queen, U2, Prince etc... imitation hanging over it. Just a thought. Definitely agree with this. I still really enjoy the album, but it does feel like they've lost their way and tried to go in about 4 completely different directions. The great thing about Showbiz - BH&R was that they developed their own, recognisable sound. Even TR, although it's not great and has a huge amount of Queen influence, retains some of that. But here... it's like they didn't even try to put their own mark on a lot of the tracks. If it weren't for Bellamy's voice on tracks like Follow Me, Panic Station, Madness, Unsustainable, Big Freeze etc. it would sound like 5 completely different bands, no question. Which is not good imo. They've either lost it for good or are just going through a really experimental stage. I think in the askmuse thing the other night one of them summed up T2L in one word as "experimental" That's not to say I don't like a lot of the tracks because I do, it just bugs me how different and influence heavy they all are Songs like Supremacy, Follow Me, Panic Station, Animals, Survival (especially the guitar part) have Muse written all over them. Supremacy, Animals, and Survival maybe, but Follow Me and Panic Station? No way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Definitely agree with this. I still really enjoy the album, but it does feel like they've lost their way and tried to go in about 4 completely different directions. The great thing about Showbiz - BH&R was that they developed their own, recognisable sound. Even TR, although it's not great and has a huge amount of Queen influence, retains some of that. But here... it's like they didn't even try to put their own mark on a lot of the tracks. If it weren't for Bellamy's voice on tracks like Follow Me, Panic Station, Madness, Unsustainable, Big Freeze etc. it would sound like 5 completely different bands, no question. Which is not good imo. They've either lost it for good or are just going through a really experimental stage. I think in the askmuse thing the other night one of them summed up T2L in one word as "experimental" That's not to say I don't like a lot of the tracks because I do, it just bugs me how different and influence heavy they all are Supremacy, Animals, and Survival maybe, but Follow Me and Panic Station? No way Why not? Follow Me is Muse but electronic. I can still hear a lot of Muse in that song. Same for Panic Station, it's Muse with slap bass. But still very muse-y imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will_ Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Why not? Follow Me is Muse but electronic. I can still hear a lot of Muse in that song. Same for Panic Station, it's Muse with slap bass. But still very muse-y imo Follow Me would sound like a sub par Nero made-for-the-charts track if it wasn't for Bellamy's voice And wat... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Follow Me would sound like a sub par Nero made-for-the-charts track if it wasn't for Bellamy's voice The live version sounded incredibly "Muse" to me, and it was the same thing with some older setup going on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
absolutionamethyst Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 QOTSA influence on Liquid State is great imo. Sick band to be influence by and yet, even with Chris singing, they've kept it their own and pulled it off I reckon. /unnecessary comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontask Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Its a fine line between influence and rip-off. The worst moment for me was USoE and I've grown to love that song, even though it made me cringe at first. I do think there a few too many in this album, I still like a good chunk of it. Life goes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will_ Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 The live version sounded incredibly "Muse" to me, and it was the same thing with some older setup going on The live version seemed like a mixup of the electronic and rock version though... I agree though, live it did sound a bit Musey. Just on the album it doesn't at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 The live version seemed like a mixup of the electronic and rock version though... I agree though, live it did sound a bit Musey. Just on the album it doesn't at all Ae don't really know what the rock version sounded like. The live version just added some guitar and used a drumkit. Even then first thing I remember mentioning was a Resistance feel, mainly for the chords, melodies, styles, etc. All of which would be present in any version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fintan Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 When I gave the album a first listen through I couldn't help thinking "oh that sounds like queen" or "did Bono join Muse on the sly?" BUT that doesn't change how much I love the album, some songs are a bit meh (big freeze) but the good ones more than make up for that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 The live version seemed like a mixup of the electronic and rock version though... I agree though, live it did sound a bit Musey. Just on the album it doesn't at all But the live version is basically identical to the album one, it just has a few guitar in it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareeh Posted September 27, 2012 Author Share Posted September 27, 2012 I really do like the album but the first time I listen to an album (that isn't by Tenacious D, FOTC etc...) should I really be laughing the whole way through it because of the amount of parody-like mimics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blinkin fightuse Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Muse have always been, to me, a simple 3-piece rock band. Of course we can dissect every song and find influences, but any time a big riff comes in and I'm in need for some head banging, then I know Muse are okay. To be honest, I've heard that more on The 2nd Law than on The Resistance. I see this as the proper next step after BHaR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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