MoltenHotLava Posted September 24, 2012 Posted September 24, 2012 What's your point? My point is that "Matt Bellamy's voice has never been better" is an untrue statement in my opinion. I'm not talking about strength or range or any of that technical stuff, I'm talking about the way it actually sounds - the part that matters. As another thought experiment, imagine the current cheesy operatic singing style that shows up all over this album in OOS or Absolution or even Black Holes. Do you really think it would be better? Edit: just realized you were referencing my typo. I mean that's the reason the other albums are better than this one.
MoltenHotLava Posted September 24, 2012 Posted September 24, 2012 His voice has changed since then. Just because something wouldn't happen in OoS or Abso it doesn't mean that it's automatically bad. I'm not saying that it is automatically bad, but in this case it is. I'm saying that it makes this album sound worse than it could have.
kueller Posted September 24, 2012 Posted September 24, 2012 As another thought experiment, imagine the current cheesy operatic singing style that shows up all over this album in OOS or Absolution or even Black Holes. Do you really think it would be better? Of course not, because those songs weren't meant to be as theatrical. But I also couldn't imagine Matt's Showbiz era whiny strained voice on Supremacy.
FabriPav Posted September 24, 2012 Posted September 24, 2012 My point is that "Matt Bellamy's voice has never been better" is an untrue statement in my opinion. I'm not talking about strength or range or any of that technical stuff, I'm talking about the way it actually sounds - the part that matters. As another thought experiment, imagine the current cheesy operatic singing style that shows up all over this album in OOS or Absolution or even Black Holes. Do you really think it would be better? So your point is "Maybe his voice is objectively better but I don't like his voice now so it's not better" Also, what's the point in thinking about how his voice nowadays would fit with 2001 songs?
Solstice Posted September 24, 2012 Posted September 24, 2012 As another thought experiment, imagine the current cheesy operatic singing style that shows up all over this album in OOS. Do you really think it would be better? We can look at reading 2011 for that, and yes imo, most of the songs sounded better like that.
muse maniac Posted September 24, 2012 Posted September 24, 2012 My point is that "Matt Bellamy's voice has never been better" is an untrue statement in my opinion. I'm not talking about strength or range or any of that technical stuff, I'm talking about the way it actually sounds - the part that matters. As another thought experiment, imagine the current cheesy operatic singing style that shows up all over this album in OOS or Absolution or even Black Holes. Do you really think it would be better? No, because he song like that back when he was writing those songs. Now he sings the way he does for the songs he's writing now. Putting micro cuts vocals on Supremacy wouldn't make it better.
MoltenHotLava Posted September 24, 2012 Posted September 24, 2012 We can look at reading 2011 for that, and yes imo, most of the songs sounded better like that. The cheesy opera sound that he somehow conveys on the album rarely shows up live (or it just works live - whereas it doesn't work on recorded music). I didn't get that vibe from the Reading 2011 set. I'm pretty sure the songs off of this album are going to sound amazing live (as the E-Werk bootlegs hinted at).
MoltenHotLava Posted September 24, 2012 Posted September 24, 2012 No, because he song like that back when he was writing those songs. Now he sings the way he does for the songs he's writing now. Putting micro cuts vocals on Supremacy wouldn't make it better. You all seem stuck on the idea that, "new songs sometimes call for new singing styles - and that's ok!" I completely agree with this! Sometimes new singing styles make new songs better than an old singing style would. Sometimes new singing styles are just different, but not inferior. I agree with all of this. On the same token, sometimes new singing styles make new songs suck more than they would have if the new singing style wasn't adopted. This is what my opinion is.
Will_ Posted September 24, 2012 Posted September 24, 2012 I think he sounds completely over the top and cheesily operatic too. Some songs suit that type of singing, but others don't. That's what I meant when I said he sounded pretentious earlier. Luckily he does usually sound a lot different live
kingcools Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 Yeah but I can barely understand the sentence You mean you thought he hit the top of his falsetto range? C6 ("Agitated" live, "Hyper Music" live) B5 ("Time Is Running Out" live) links?
Scaramoosh Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 His voice is better but he's gone back to doing the whiny stuff he did in Showbiz which annoys me. I think his voice in Uprising was the best, that song is just how I wish Matt would keep it. That said his Lyrics are so bad in quite a few songs on this album and there isn't any real rock songs which is a shame. OoS, Abs and Black Holes are still their best.
Citizen_Eraser Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 The cheesy opera sound that he somehow conveys on the album rarely shows up live (or it just works live - whereas it doesn't work on recorded music). I didn't get that vibe from the Reading 2011 set. I'm pretty sure the songs off of this album are going to sound amazing live (as the E-Werk bootlegs hinted at). Did you see Space Dementia at Reading? Its exactly what you're complaining about and I think it sounds amazing. Back in the OoS days Matt's voice at least on a technical level wasn't that great. It was pretty good for a rock singer, and he had a massive range but that was it. Now its great on all levels.
dougwalters Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 His voice is better but he's gone back to doing the whiny stuff he did in Showbiz which annoys me. I think his voice in Uprising was the best, that song is just how I wish Matt would keep it. That said his Lyrics are so bad in quite a few songs on this album and there isn't any real rock songs which is a shame. OoS, Abs and Black Holes are still their best. Bh&R <3
Chryse Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 That said his Lyrics are so bad in quite a few songs on this album. I was going to create a thread about the lyrical content of this album and what everyone's favorites and least favorites were. I quite like the lyrics in most of the songs, but there are occasional ones that are just...
Citizen_Eraser Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 I was going to create a thread about the lyrical content of this album and what everyone's favorites and least favorites were. I quite like the lyrics in most of the songs, but there are occasional ones that are just... Give me some examples of bad ones. Because I havent listened enough to start deciphering and looking up lyrics yet.
Chryse Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 Give me some examples of bad ones. Because I havent listened enough to start deciphering and looking up lyrics yet. "Embedded spies, brainwashing our Children to be mean." Once I hoped To seek the new and unknown. This planet’s overrun, There’s nothing left for you or for me. Don’t give in, we can Walk through the fields And feeling nature’s glow But all the land is owned. There’s none left for you or for me. Who will win? ‘cause I concede. Free me Free me Free me from this world. I don’t belong here, It was a mistake imprisoning my soul. Can you free me, Free me from this world. A world lush and blue With rivers running wild, They’ll be re-routed south, With none left for you or for me. Don’t give in, Hear the engines roar And save our crops from drought. But when the black gold’s in doubt, There’ll be none left for you or for me. Fuse helium-3, our last hope. Free me Free me Free me from this world. We don’t belong here, It was a mistake imprisoning our souls. Can you free me, Free me from this world. Free me I’ll free you Free us from this world. We don’t belong here, It was a mistake imprisoning our souls. Can you free me, Free me from this world. Running around in circles feeling caged By endless rules. Can you free me, free me from this world. Shh, Go to sleep. "Feel me. Don’t let the sun in your heart decay." "Don’t give up, don’t let the magic leave us. We’re collapsing in stellar clouds of gas." Saying that, I love the lyrics in Panic Station, Animals, Liquid State, and Save Me. Follow Me is decent as well, for writing about his son anyways. My favorites at the moment might be Animals, because it's just so classic Muse. It's aimed at bankers and corporate greed, really occupy like. The lyrics in Animals are just so relevant to the current political climate, I can relate because it's exactly how I feel as well.
JessicaSarahS Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 I agree about the line from supremacy, but I rather like the Explorers lyrics.
Citizen_Eraser Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 I agree about the line from supremacy, but I rather like the Explorers lyrics. Same. Its only that one word choice. When I did try to decipher the liver version I thought it was "brainwashing our children to their will" and that right there would be perfectly fine. But "to be mean" lol really??
Hat Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 links? Hyper Music at Leeds 2011, Agitated at MCM Café in 99, TIRO at some South American gig, supporting U2.
Ryoma-kun Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 links? Agitated at MCM Cafe 99' about 1.20 or so into the song. TIRO is hm, Sao Paulo or some other gig from the South American U2 support tour in 10'. It's the 'wohaho' after the first chorus. Hyper Music is during the intro, barely audible in some recordings, at Leeds 11'.
espionage Posted September 27, 2012 Posted September 27, 2012 I'm kinda dreading the songs where Chris sings lead vocals. I've never wanted anyone but Matt to sing lead vocals on a Muse song. Matt's voice is at least 50% of Muse's appeal, to me. Yes, I should just listen to the damn album already. Having finally heard the two songs where Chris sings, I have to say you dreading those songs is well -founded. Not that Chris is terrible or anything, but he's not as interesting a singer as Matt, and his voice on lead vocals doesn't sound anything like Muse to me.
Girl of Cydonia Posted October 2, 2012 Posted October 2, 2012 Not that Chris is terrible or anything, but he's not as interesting a singer as Matt, and his voice on lead vocals doesn't sound anything like Muse to me. That's exactly what I thought. When I heard the two songs he sings I thought I was listening to an entire different band. I much much rather only listen to Matt as the lead singer. After all, that's one of the main reasons I loved Muse when I first heard them.
Shrinking Universe Posted October 2, 2012 Posted October 2, 2012 Yet another unpopular opinion: Muse should let Chris sing all the songs where Matt feels the need to put on the Heroic Voice. Chris can actually pull it of quite naturally, whereas Matt sounds like a kitten on steroids. He'd better stick to the raw/falsetto songs himself.
Tom Wells Posted October 2, 2012 Posted October 2, 2012 "Embedded spies, brainwashing our Children to be mean." At first, I thought that was quite shit, but then I wondered if it's a reference to the media and stuff subconsciously getting into people's minds, causing them to act differently...
Shrinking Universe Posted October 2, 2012 Posted October 2, 2012 At first, I thought that was quite shit, but then I wondered if it's a reference to the media and stuff subconsciously getting into people's minds, causing them to act differently... Yes, of course. But that doesn't make it any better
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