You.Make.Me.Sick Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 If you've looked at the news lately (I'm sure you have) the 3 most recent events regaurding the new album/tour have a picture that seems like it may be the artwork for a single, or maybe the new album. If this is the artwork, what are you thoughts? Would you like to see something different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 I doubt it's the album cover, could be the first single's cover though. It's got something to do with the subject of the album, IIRC (although I can't remember what it is). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 It might be the theme. Something like The Resistance covers had shapes and patterns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HannahG123 Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 I don't think it's any of the covers, I just think its being used for the tour posters and tickets etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Shouldn't this thread be in The 2nd Law' section? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyper_chondriac_muser Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Shouldn't this thread be in The 2nd Law' section? ... where there is already an artwork thread. Yeah, it's for fan art, but doesn't mean questions regarding artwork in general can't be asked there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyper Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 the images on the new album/tour dates pages is taken from here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1343753/The-sound-particle-pings-Scientists-turn-Large-Hadron-Collider-data-music.html?ITO=1490 generated by LHC data i liked the sounds they have produced. creepy. I recall the idea Matt had to issue an album with three parts, one of which would be some ultrasounds noone can really hear. brainwashing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechagodzilla Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 i liked the sounds they have produced. creepy. I recall the idea Matt had to issue an album with three parts, one of which would be some ultrasounds noone can really hear. brainwashing Do you have a link to that quote at all? I remember reading it before but I can't for the life of me, remember where I read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarrieB Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 the images on the new album/tour dates pages is taken from here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1343753/The-sound-particle-pings-Scientists-turn-Large-Hadron-Collider-data-music.html?ITO=1490 generated by LHC data i liked the sounds they have produced. creepy. I recall the idea Matt had to issue an album with three parts, one of which would be some ultrasounds noone can really hear. brainwashing What struck me which is how it starts with lots of activity which then reduces to almost nothing. I suppose it's kind of obvious that would happen, but is this what has been described as entropy? It's kind of the reverse of what has happened in evolution. Evolution being based on the idea of continued progress through adaptation. The Hadron Collider doesn't seem to explain very much. Unless it explains the long haul and predicts that after a spurt of energy everything eventually settles into nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kati Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 What struck me which is how it starts with lots of activity which then reduces to almost nothing. I suppose it's kind of obvious that would happen, but is this what has been described as entropy? It's kind of the reverse of what has happened in evolution. Evolution being based on the idea of continued progress through adaptation. The Hadron Collider doesn't seem to explain very much. Unless it explains the long haul and predicts that after a spurt of energy everything eventually settles into nothing. Er, I think in those tests from which the sound file is from, there is a short collision of the lead ions, but they cannot sustain a continous collision, so that's why the sounds die off. That's not about entropy at all (well except that the tests take a lot of energy, which in turn causes heat emissions and entropy increase, but there is nothing specific in this experiment). In general I don't think the album theme has anything to do with the particle collision tests, this work has been going on in CERN etc for decades, it's about looking for certain particles predicted by theories on different forces between particles... Really I don't see it has anything to do with environmental problems on Earth, or even with energy availability considerations. I suppose it must be a bit disappointing however if he has worked hard to include cryptic little messages, in the video, or even a more blatant message and no one has noticed it. Made me start to think a bit more about the video. There is the possibility of deliberate use of intertextuality. There seems to be a copy the cover of Absolution, in the shadows of people running, so perhaps this relates to an Apocalypse (so unusual for Muse! ). There appears to be the blatant use of the third eye of course, and I was wondering if there was significance in the use of both the tv and the robot screen, possibly the idea of robotic reporting that doesn't convey reality, but reality still finds it's way through the cracks, hence the reality is panic and terror maybe, looking at the flashes of the reporter's face, but it's sanitised. Also it could be a reference to the idea of economic man, the faulty assumption that people make decisions like machines. I'm not sure there are any hidden messages on the video, but there are things I don't quite understand... Like what has the couple running in the woods to do with the theme (except that it seems like a continuation to NSC)? Escape from reality? In general there seems to be a lot of people running, escaping, in the video. And yeah there is the news reader and the robot (it makes me think more of a computer screen) telling ugly truths. Where do you see anything from Absolution? Hmm, I still think the idea of the screen telling the truth is more convincing than the screen (robot) being about machinistic decisions. I guess the stock exchange panic shots are there to show the frenzy for growth which is then all unsustainable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumpypotato Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 I'm not sure there are any hidden messages on the video, but there are things I don't quite understand... Like what has the couple running in the woods to do with the theme (except that it seems like a continuation to NSC)? Escape from reality? In general there seems to be a lot of people running, escaping, in the video. And yeah there is the news reader and the robot (it makes me think more of a computer screen) telling ugly truths. Where do you see anything from Absolution? Hmm, I still think the idea of the screen telling the truth is more convincing than the screen (robot) being about machinistic decisions. I guess the stock exchange panic shots are there to show the frenzy for growth which is then all unsustainable. Why is this in this thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Why is this in this thread? Why, isn't this the tl;dr thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumpypotato Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Why, isn't this the tl;dr thread? Everything she says should be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kati Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Why is this in this thread? Seemed like the best thread considering the new album discussion is in this section of threads, and video is sort of visual artwork. It doesn't really belong to twitter thread, and news section is difficult in general, the video is hardly news anymore and in News section threads do not bump up with new posts. Of course, feel free to move discussion to a more suitable thread in case you have anything to say about the video or comments made about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buxomflirter Queef Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Why don't you make a "video discussion thread" instead. That way you can discuss the videos of the upcoming singles as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarrieB Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Er, I think in those tests from which the sound file is from, there is a short collision of the lead ions, but they cannot sustain a continous collision, so that's why the sounds die off. That's not about entropy at all (well except that the tests take a lot of energy, which in turn causes heat emissions and entropy increase, but there is nothing specific in this experiment). In general I don't think the album theme has anything to do with the particle collision tests, this work has been going on in CERN etc for decades, it's about looking for certain particles predicted by theories on different forces between particles... Really I don't see it has anything to do with environmental problems on Earth, or even with energy availability considerations. Well I tried to understand Higgs Boson for myself but it is beyond me. So hopefully a simple question, do you know what the connection is between the tour artwork and the same picture being included in the article posted by Hyper about the Hadron collider, if it has nothing to do with the Hadron collider? It may have already been posted but I'm a bit lost! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kati Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Well I tried to understand Higgs Boson for myself but it is beyond me. So hopefully a simple question, do you know what the connection is between the tour artwork and the same picture being included in the article posted by Hyper about the Hadron collider, if it has nothing to do with the Hadron collider? I have no idea what could be the connection. Nice picture? No, I don't know particle physics much at all, so I can't really be sure Higgs boson has nothing to do with the entropy considerations, but I also can't see a clear connection. Is there anyone here more interested in the particle physics? So I googled a bit... The picture comes from CERN Atlas experiment, as stated in the Daily Mail pic, and this is the picture text found on the Atlas web site, atlas.ch. Simulated production of a black hole in ATLAS. This track is an example of simulated data modelled for the ATLAS detector on the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at CERN, which will begin taking data in late 2009/2010. These tracks would be produced if a miniature black hole was created in the proton-proton collision. Such a small black hole would decay instantly to various particles via a process known as Hawking radiation. My understanding of that approaches zero... This was quite funny explanation of the particle physics: http://www.atlas.ch/etours_physics/index.html, see slide 10 Why don't you make a "video discussion thread" instead. That way you can discuss the videos of the upcoming singles as well. I guess that's a good idea, but there doesn't seem to be interest anymore for the trailer video. Maybe do one when we get a video for the first single? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niall Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 It's basically an image mapping two protons colliding and those lines trace the paths of the particles resulting from it, including what could be a Higg's boson decaying, the means through which such a particle could be detected. You can't detect a Higg's directly but you can detect the particles that would result from it and deduce that they would have to come from a Higg's boson. I guess the connection is that when a particle decays entropy increases, but no, it's not really relevant. I think it's more likely just a cool, physicsy picture that might result from google image searching entropy or something, but I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarrieB Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 It's basically an image mapping two protons colliding and those lines trace the paths of the particles resulting from it, including what could be a Higg's boson decaying, the means through which such a particle could be detected. You can't detect a Higg's directly but you can detect the particles that would result from it and deduce that they would have to come from a Higg's boson. I guess the connection is that when a particle decays entropy increases, but no, it's not really relevant. I think it's more likely just a cool, physicsy picture that might result from google image searching entropy or something, but I don't know. Thanks Niall, I think that makes sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niall Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 Probably would have helped to explain that when protons collide (hence, large hadron collider) they basically break apart into lots of other particles (the mass of these particles summed together is equal to the energy of the collision, by Einstein's equation equating mass with energy), including potentially the Higg's boson, which decay on their own and break up into lots of other particles. This picture maps the paths of the particles coming out of the collision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyper Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Unless it explains the long haul and predicts that after a spurt of energy everything eventually settles into nothing. you are right about that. The universe is nothing and everything at the same time. if you are interested, check out this lecture on "Universe of Nothing" by famous physician Lawrence Krauss I have no idea what could be the connection. Nice picture? No, I don't know particle physics much at all, so I can't really be sure Higgs boson has nothing to do with the entropy considerations, but I also can't see a clear connection. Is there anyone here more interested in the particle physics? Matt is. OOS was partly inspired/based on the book "The Elegant Universe" and I have read it. It explains on a very popular level the particle physics and the strings theory. So if I had to make a connection it would be: universe - 2nd law (physics) - economy Also, the whole theme of "We are the universe" ( which was used on the last tour) is related to that stream of thinking. There is a theory: people observing the laws of nature and making experiments can interfere with the nature. "Observing ourselves, destroying ourselves". Sort of like the "butterfly effect" by Bradbury. Also used in "Butterflies and Hurricanes" theme. There is a whole controversy about LHC experiments affecting normal development of our environment, weather, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyper Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Do we know who did the yellow artwork for Survival? Is it generic for the Olympcs? Also, I think the font for the title reminds me of the sketchy images in the video. IOC Media ??? Any thoughts??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killer Rabbit Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 the images on the new album/tour dates pages is taken from here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1343753/The-sound-particle-pings-Scientists-turn-Large-Hadron-Collider-data-music.html?ITO=1490 generated by LHC data Joy Division already (sorta) did it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Do we know who did the yellow artwork for Survival? Is it generic for the Olympcs? Also, I think the font for the title reminds me of the sketchy images in the video. IOC Media ??? Any thoughts??? It's probably Olympics generic, yeah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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