Xut Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Hey guys, Just wondering if anyone here knows how to achieve a good DnB kick and snare sound acoustically, as our band is in need for a more style-approved sound for those. Are triggers the way to go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 I don't really listen to this genre. I think in general it's good to try and develop your own sound, rather than trying to conform to a genre. I would imagine for DnB most of the low end comes from the bass, so you'll need a smaller kick drum to cut through, and for some jojo mayer style snare work a piccolo snare would respond well (or you could just crank the fuck out of your existing snare depending on what it is). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don'tPostThePear Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 You should just put amen break on a loop for 4 minutes. Oh wait that is breakbeat. BTW i think that DnB drums have a pretty specific sound, (i mean they sound pretty similar in every dnb recording i have heard) i'd definitely trigger samples if i were you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 there are live DnB acts with acoustic sounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xut Posted December 13, 2011 Author Share Posted December 13, 2011 there are live DnB acts with acoustic sounds This. I actually hate the way Pendulum trigger their drums, Jojo Mayer's snare sound (there is a vid of it) is probably the way to go, for now at least. Our drummer has a rather small bass-drum too, it does sound quite powerful how we like it, does need some tweaking though. Thanks for the replies so far by the way, I think we'll see how far we get with what we have now, any suggestions are welcome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 you need fast compression on the bass to let the kick drum cut through IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xut Posted December 13, 2011 Author Share Posted December 13, 2011 Yeah, and cut the lows below 70hzor something right? is that something the soundguy can easily (be instructed to) do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthijs Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 If only Haze were here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Where's he gone? Yeah, and cut the lows below 70hzor something right? is that something the soundguy can easily (be instructed to) do? lows below 70Hz on the kick? I don't know, not necessarily. It's just that the thump will need to come from the kick drum, and a lot of these "dubby" bass sounds are very heavy in the low mids which means if they are attacking at the same time as the kick drum you'll just get muddy wump rather than bouncy thump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthijs Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Got banned IIRC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Downer. All the cool kids get banned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xut Posted December 13, 2011 Author Share Posted December 13, 2011 Where's he gone? lows below 70Hz on the kick? I don't know, not necessarily. It's just that the thump will need to come from the kick drum, and a lot of these "dubby" bass sounds are very heavy in the low mids which means if they are attacking at the same time as the kick drum you'll just get muddy wump rather than bouncy thump. Well those dubby basses you're talking about in my opnion, if for example you take a song like Showdown from Pendulum, the bass is almost only subbass and the kick is actually a bit higher around the 90hz mark I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 you're probably right. I'm just saying think about it in terms of dynamics as well as frequencies. If you give your kick a slow attack on the compressor and the bass a fast attack, you'll get plenty of thump out of the kick without the bass interfering in those vital milliseconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xut Posted December 13, 2011 Author Share Posted December 13, 2011 You're right about that ofcourse, I mean, around here it happens so many times that you sometimes dont even notice the bassdrum in the mix, its there, but it doesnt fill up anything on its own, it 'struggles' to be heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 some dance bands will link a trigger on the kick to a sidechain input on the bass compressor too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil. Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 I saw a band a little while ago that had 2 guitarists, a bassist and a synth player (no drummer). The synth guy provided all the 'drumming', and he had a hipstermac, a keyboard (i'm assuming a midi controller one) and another midi controller, a pad type one. In anycase, some of the songs they played had a pretty typical indie drum track to them, while others had a much more synthy, dub sound to them. would this kind of an option suit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 NOO!! You need a real drummer for energy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don'tPostThePear Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 NOO!! You need a real drummer for energy implying shitty humans can sound heavier than layers of samples, massive eqing, advanced sidechain compression, parallel and multiband compression, carefully carved reverb, artifical stereo images, different harmonics generating plugins, (distos, clippers, fuzzes etc.) limiting, and some other magic stuff going on at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xut Posted December 14, 2011 Author Share Posted December 14, 2011 not firing the drummer. having the other bandmembers in that band you mentioned is actually not even necessary, that synth guy should at one point realise he is a DJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 implying shitty humans can sound heavier than layers of samples' date=' massive eqing, advanced sidechain compression, parallel and multiband compression, carefully carved reverb, artifical stereo images, different harmonics generating plugins, (distos, clippers, fuzzes etc.) limiting, and some other magic stuff going on at the same time.[/quote'] yeh, gigs are 100% about the intricacies of individual drum sounds. You listen to a CD, you watch a gig. Watch a band with a drummer, then watch one with a drum machine - which one has more energy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dramatic Hammer Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 NOO!! You need a real drummer for energy This. By a country mile. and tbh, live kick drum sounds far heavier than samples anyway as PA people tend to weight the available headroom towards drums and away from laptops. If it's all sync'd up anyway, you can use a ghost kick to trigger side-chaining/etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don'tPostThePear Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 which one has more energy? The band with the hotter lead singer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 two bands which you like equally, one has a drum machine, one has a live drummer. The one with the live drummer is better to watch. There's no rational argument against that. Drum machines don't move therefore they're not as good to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don'tPostThePear Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 two bands which you like equally, one has a drum machine, one has a live drummer. The one with the live drummer is better to watch. There's no rational argument against that. Drum machines don't move therefore they're not as good to watch. That is true but for an electronic act i'd still get a drummer who triggers samples (through triggers attached to a real drumkit for the cool live vibe) instead of a miced up drumkit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 most samples are compressed to fuck to suit a stereo though. Acoustic drums are much more dynamic which can give a much punchier feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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