MUSESTL Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 It's impossible to miss the hate on this board for the cheesiness in songs like Guiding Light, Neutron Star Collision and Starlight. I'm not denying that they are cheesy, but I have a question: why don't people criticize the cheese/cliche in songs like Space Dementia ("I'd cut your name in my heart") or Butterflies and Hurricanes ("Best, you've got to be the best, you've got to change the world") or Exogenesis ("Who are we? Where are we? When are we? Why are we in here?") I don't mean to attack any of the songs (I'm actually a fan of them all); I'm just wondering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombat_714 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I think you're mistaking what 'cheese' is, my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priad-Luabe Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 i think he's referring to cliche'd lyrics, as opposed to cheese (harmonize the cheese in this sentence like the 'forever' in nsc ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombat_714 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 i think he's referring to cliche'd lyrics, as opposed to cheese (harmonize the cheese in this sentence like the 'forever' in nsc ) Ok, cliche I guess.... People just don't like GL, NSC or Starlight because they're shite songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priad-Luabe Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Ok, cliche I guess.... People just don't like GL, NSC or Starlight because they're shite songs. they're not that bad, its just 'its not muse' etc seems to be the majority of the arguments i see, and obviously some people just dont like them because they're throwaways and dont really resonate with them (the songs that is lol im not trying to start ) plus they dont sound like radiohead i will be honest i do love the cheese for the lulz/epically exaggeration of gestures etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis III Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Because there's no longer all that angst that was once covering up the inherent cheesiness of their music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombat_714 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Meh, to each their own. To me, those songs (along with a few more not mentioned) are cheap and lazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontask Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Because there's no longer all that angst that was once covering up the inherent cheesiness of their music. without getting into it too deeply, theres alot of truth in this. Incidentally, I love Starlight and Invincible, but dont like Guiding Light and NSC. Make of that the little that its worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesseract Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I think Starlight is one of the best modern pop songs by far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombat_714 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I think Starlight is one of the best modern pop songs by far. Thank you for proving my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis III Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Thank you for proving my point. Am I misinterpreting your post, or are you implying that all modern pop is inherently bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesseract Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Am I misinterpreting your post, or are you implying that all modern pop is inherently bad? I think that's what they are implying, yes. I would say most modern pop is absolute crap, especially when compared with pop back in the day, The Beatles and the like. But there are exceptions, and Starlight is one of them in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontask Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 think Starlight is pretty awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee3Dee Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 The cheese is okay if the music is interesting. Guiding Light, Starlight and Neutron Star Collision are not interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontask Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 The cheese is okay if the music is interesting. Guiding Light, Starlight and Neutron Star Collision are not interesting. be nice to Starlight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattXXI Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I personally think Starlight is a good song, and its always usually a great performance live. Guiding Light is only fun because it's so silly and over dramatic just for the hell of it, while NSC is just....too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn. Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I don't have problems with those songs. they are so good in their own style, aren't heavy songs, just pop songs. Maybe the best pop songs i've heard in a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadeLovesMuse Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I love Starlight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haze015 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I think that's what they are implying, yes. I would say most modern pop is absolute crap, especially when compared with pop back in the day, The Beatles and the like. But there are exceptions, and Starlight is one of them in my opinion. Starlight is terrible by modern pop standards. Sounded heavily dated in 2006, let alone in 2011. It's easy to slag off modern commercial pop, but it's never been good, just the best stuff lasts. I'd be amazed if more than a handful of people would know Starlight, let alone enjoy it, if it was played in a club now, always a good indicator. Supermassive Black Hole however, was decent pop. Knights Of Cydonia was fun self-indulgent cheese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bILLOO Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Starlight is OK, but Glorious should have replace it somewhere on the album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hipbones Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Starlight is OK, but Glorious should have replace it somewhere on the album. YES. Glorious is amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee3Dee Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Glorious gets me every time. Stunning song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthijs Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 It's impossible to miss the hate on this board for the cheesiness in songs like Guiding Light, Neutron Star Collision and Starlight. I'm not denying that they are cheesy, but I have a question: why don't people criticize the cheese/cliche in songs like Space Dementia ("I'd cut your name in my heart") or Butterflies and Hurricanes ("Best, you've got to be the best, you've got to change the world") or Exogenesis ("Who are we? Where are we? When are we? Why are we in here?") I don't mean to attack any of the songs (I'm actually a fan of them all); I'm just wondering Because questioning the meaning of existance is not very cheesy at all my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUSESTL Posted February 23, 2011 Author Share Posted February 23, 2011 Because questioning the meaning of existance is not very cheesy at all my friend. When you question it with cliche questions like that, it is. You also ignored the other two lines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthijs Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 When you question it with cliche questions like that, it is. You also ignored the other two lines Your topic states cheese in the title, so that's my first reason for commenting on this. Questioning the existence is also not very cliché I'd say, unless you can tell me the answer? Trapped in God's program is in fact a very good statement here, because it's a follow up to 'aping my soul'. Creationism vs Evolution vs Existentialism! But if you want to you can stick to suffering and moaning people if that floats your boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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