Caff Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 A great frontman works the crowd, not the cameras filming it. It's impossible to judge a frontman by Youtube videos, it's all about being in the venue at the time. See...I never got to see Queen live (obviously) and I think in spite of it just being recordings you can just tell what sort of frontman Freddie was. Maybe it's just me. Plus people who were there don't exactly dispute his place as one of the top frontmen.
haze015 Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 See...I never got to see Queen live (obviously) and I think in spite of it just being recordings you can just tell what sort of frontman Freddie was. Maybe it's just me. Plus people who were there don't exactly dispute his place as one of the top frontmen. He's still great to watch! It's just the stuff that seems naff on film can get the crowd there going which wouldn't have happened if the frontman had just performed everything straight. People like Morrisey are great to watch and he will stop singing just to shake hands with people who've come over the barrier and all the rest of it, it's surprising how violent the crowds are for his shows! In the case of singers who also play instruments, it's more about how you change the song to fit that moment. Ultimately nothing about playing live should be about sounding like the record, it's what feels best at that moment.
CarrieB Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 What I mean about Freddie is that I don't like all that big ego "big I am" stuff in a frontman. I think it was tongue in cheek in his case and tbh I haven't watched that many Queen performances, but I think you have to be really into an artist to enjoy that. Like for example, I started watching one of Robbie Williams' shows once on TV and before he came on, the compare said something to work up the audience, like "what man or woman in the audience does not want to fuck this man?" and I was like I found it annoying. It's difficult to explain. If I'm really into an artist then I like it more but if I'm fair weather then it grates on me, so that's what I mean about not liking pomp and ceremony and about being partial. I'm not generally moved by the big ego stuff, nothing to do with the visuals or stage set. Though I did really like that bit in Muse's live show when Matt pointed upwards, and was surrounded by lasers in Newborn. I don't know, maybe it's just because I like Muse a lot, but also that was carried by the music. I like displays of emotion in performing music. I don't know whether it's fake or not but I like for example in Ruled By Secrecy when Matt moves his head down close to the keyboard at the end. I think that's the kind of thing I like in a frontman, stuff that touches you inside, whether it's raising the adrenalin or the emotions. It doesn't have to be blatantly interactive because the music is interactive. I like it if the artist chats to the audience or tells funny stories when it's spontanous, but not if it's "oh look at me and how awesome I am". But I also think that working the audience can turn it into a pantomine. I saw Newton Faulkner once and he was working the audience by getting like half the audience to sing one part of a song, half the other and it was just annoying.
sparkle19 Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 I still think Freddie Mercury was the best frontman ever. + a million. He's just mesmerizing and magical. Ultimate front man. I will forever love him.
Caff Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 As if Matt hasn't got an ego! It's pretty much a requirement if you're going to front a band.
Pip Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 What I mean about Freddie is that I don't like all that big ego "big I am" stuff in a frontman. I love watching Matt on stage but fucking hell, I'd be the first to say he's got an ego the size of Europe when performing!:LOL: Having been lucky enough to see Queen at Wembley in 1986 I personally think Freddie has the edge over MB on stage and it has absolutely nothing to do with sexual attraction.
Caff Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Having been lucky enough to see Queen at Wembley in 1986 I personally think Freddie has the edge over MB on stage and it has absolutely nothing to do with sexual attraction. My dad would be jealous! He could've gone to that but didn't for some reason.
Pip Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 My dad would be jealous! He could've gone to that but didn't for some reason. Oh no! That's a great shame. I was seventeen at the time and had been a Queen fan for years thanks to my mum also being a fan. I grew up listening to Queen, Genesis and Pink Floyd and they are still my favourites.
Origin Of Symmetry Ftw Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Kurt should defintly be in top 5, unlike the others on the list he did not even try to be a good frontman he just was, but there is no way Axl should be number 1
LyraSilvertongue Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Kurt should defintly be in top 5, unlike the others on the list he did not even try to be a good frontman he just was, but there is no way Axl should be number 1 I don't know about Kurt. Much as I loved Nirvana, Kurt wasn't the most charismatic of frontmen. Much like Matt Bellamy he just sang and played his guitar and not much else.
CarrieB Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 I love watching Matt on stage but fucking hell, I'd be the first to say he's got an ego the size of Europe when performing!:LOL: Well it doesn't come over to me, maybe because I don't believe it, knowing he's not like that in reality. Mind you it never came over to me before I knew anything about the people in Muse. I always felt he was a little inhibited, you know, a bit shy. Perhaps I would have felt differently if I had seen earlier performances first. Good to watch, but I've never thought of him as a performer with a huge ego, just a good performer. I never even thought about how rock stars do all those unnecessary moves with the guitars until I watched that programme on rock stars recently. Maybe I would believe it if he spoke more. That lack of interaction is a bit of a giveaway.
Pip Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 I shall probably be lambasted for this (go ahead, really) but I think Kurt Cobain had the stage-presence of a cucumber, I was never a huge fan. Maybe it's because I don't view him as such an iconic figure because I was already twenty years old when Nirvana first really hit the scene and I can't pretend Kurt's death hit me in any way. I do believe some (not all!) younger people hold KC in such high esteem just because he's dead, he seems to be bigger now than he ever was in life.
sparkle19 Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 I shall probably be lambasted for this (go ahead, really) but I think Kurt Cobain had the stage-presence of a cucumber, I was never a huge fan. Maybe it's because I don't view him as such an iconic figure because I was already twenty years old when Nirvana first really hit the scene and I can't pretend Kurt's death hit me in any way. I do believe some (not all!) younger people hold KC in such high esteem just because he's dead, he seems to be bigger now than he ever was in life. Totes agree with this. I don't, and never will, get the fuss over him or Nirvana. Doesn't do anything for me.
LyraSilvertongue Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 I shall probably be lambasted for this (go ahead, really) but I think Kurt Cobain had the stage-presence of a cucumber, I was never a huge fan. Maybe it's because I don't view him as such an iconic figure because I was already twenty years old when Nirvana first really hit the scene and I can't pretend Kurt's death hit me in any way. I do believe some (not all!) younger people hold KC in such high esteem just because he's dead, he seems to be bigger now than he ever was in life. I was gutted when he died. I very clearly remember finding out and being upset all day. But then I was a huge fan from 1991 when Nevermind was released. I agree about the cucumber bit though. I saw Nirvana at the Reading Festival in 1992 and Kurt was pretty underwhelming. They had this random guy on stage dancing and whipping his hair about to give the crowd something to look at
hyper_chondriac_muser Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Axl Rose? Really? Reeeeeeally?! What a horribly flawed poll I was gutted when he died. I very clearly remember finding out and being upset all day. But then I was a huge fan from 1991 when Nevermind was released. I agree about the cucumber bit though. I saw Nirvana at the Reading Festival in 1992 and Kurt was pretty underwhelming. They had this random guy on stage dancing and whipping his hair about to give the crowd something to look at Nevermind was awesome Aw man, you're sooo lucky you saw them, despite the Cucumber Cobain part
LyraSilvertongue Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Axl Rose? Really? Reeeeeeally?! What a horribly flawed poll Nevermind was awesome Aw man, you're sooo lucky you saw them, despite the Cucumber Cobain part I know They were my favourite band for years. I would have liked to have seen Freddie strut his stuff too even though I wasn't a big Queen fan.
cherry lips Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 I shall probably be lambasted for this (go ahead, really) but I think Kurt Cobain had the stage-presence of a cucumber, I was never a huge fan. Maybe it's because I don't view him as such an iconic figure because I was already twenty years old when Nirvana first really hit the scene and I can't pretend Kurt's death hit me in any way. I do believe some (not all!) younger people hold KC in such high esteem just because he's dead, he seems to be bigger now than he ever was in life. I couldn't agree more on that,Nirvana are obviously an iconic band but I never really got the whole fuss about Kurt.
Minimal Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 I think Kurt Cobain had the stage-presence of a cucumber LMAO
cheese on toast Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 I shall probably be lambasted for this (go ahead, really) but I think Kurt Cobain had the stage-presence of a cucumber, I was never a huge fan. Maybe it's because I don't view him as such an iconic figure because I was already twenty years old when Nirvana first really hit the scene and I can't pretend Kurt's death hit me in any way. I do believe some (not all!) younger people hold KC in such high esteem just because he's dead, he seems to be bigger now than he ever was in life. :LOL:!!
Hammertym3 Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 Well it doesn't come over to me, maybe because I don't believe it, knowing he's not like that in reality. Mind you it never came over to me before I knew anything about the people in Muse. I always felt he was a little inhibited, you know, a bit shy. Perhaps I would have felt differently if I had seen earlier performances first. Good to watch, but I've never thought of him as a performer with a huge ego, just a good performer. I never even thought about how rock stars do all those unnecessary moves with the guitars until I watched that programme on rock stars recently. Maybe I would believe it if he spoke more. That lack of interaction is a bit of a giveaway. Well, if you knew Freddie Mercury from interviews, you would know he's not like that either. But anyway, this poll is stupid and subjective to taste in music.
Hat Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 Freddie Mercury acts like he has a huge ego on stage, therefore he has a huge ego. Matt Bellamy acts like he has a huge ego on stage, but he doesn't have a huge ego, because I know him. That's some Carrie logic for ya
Hammertym3 Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 That's some Carrie logic for ya We should be used to Carrie logic by now Her opinion is always right, no matter what
Gareeh Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 get rid of axl rose and put cobain above yorke and that list is near perfect imo.
CarrieB Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 Freddie Mercury acts like he has a huge ego on stage, therefore he has a huge ego. Matt Bellamy acts like he has a huge ego on stage, but he doesn't have a huge ego, because I know him. That's some Carrie logic for ya Ah actually I didn't say that! You are misquoting my logic! What I said was that I never felt Bells had a huge ego on stage even before I knew anything about him. Read properly next time!
Hat Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 Ah actually I didn't say that! You are misquoting my logic! What I said was that I never felt Bells had a huge ego on stage even before I knew anything about him. Read properly next time! Goddamnit, my mistake. But I still don't agree
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