Yeah, I'm in raleigh! Yeah those 2 NC shows so close together were a huge surprise! We may not get another one for a while, but otoh, they probably have a pretty decent fanbase built up here. Geographically it could make sense if they do Charlotte - Nashville - Pittsburgh... Also it was April 2013 when they announced the Fall leg of T2L. So we have a little while to still have hope 😁

The performances were great, my personal comfort level was zero 😂

Yeah I know, that was my point in comparing this tour to T2L. They played stadiums that summer and then came back to the US in September with the same production as the 1st leg. But yeah, it will all depend on money. Don't get me wrong, I was happy they came back at all after Drones to play gigs for the places they skipped, but looking back - it kind of sucked. Summer amphitheater shows here in the Southeast are miserable because of the heat and humidity (and delays for storms like in Charlotte). With the smaller stage setup and both Muse and 30STM having VIP tickets with early entry, there was virtually no barrier left for normal GA folks at any of the gigs. That's why I'm so worried. I despise amphitheater shows and would rather see them play half of an arena any day. But ofc it's prob not the financially smart option. ☹️

You just had bad luck and were in a section with a sucky crowd. Sorry! I've only ever had seats to a handful of Muse shows (I always do GA), and I've always stood. I have a seat for the Florida gig and I fully plan on standing.

I hope you're wrong. With the places they skipped on this tour it would be a shame for those folks to not get this setup at all. Tbh, the production for this tour is so awesome that it's a shame there are so few arena dates, period.

Yeah but outdoor amphitheater season will be over in Sept. I think if they come back it will be the same as 2013 - they'll do like 10 or so shows with the same production.

there are GA tix available on TM for this one now. I'll be there (IN A SEAT!)

Saw this and had to chime in. The $$ I spent on VIP for the Killers on their last tour was worthless. They oversold (didn't appear to have a cap at all) their VIP and apparently everyone buys it. I really enjoy the killers and have seen them multiple times but I'm not a superfan. So yeah, my friend and I happened to go "check the venue" at like 9am the day of the gig and ended up having to stay all day and cancelling our plans because there were already 65 people in THE VIP QUEUE. There were literally more people in that queue than the normal GA queue. Needless to say, we didn't get barrier but the Killers is the one band that I can stand 2nd row and I'm OK because the crowd doesn't move at all. Weird how that's a blatant money-grab (basically a $150 surcharge on the cost of a ticket), yet I never heard a single fan of theirs complain. At least Muse hasn't quite reached that point yet.

Anyone showing up for VIP at 10am is going to be wandering around with nowhere to go. They don't even start setting up the check-in tables until after 2.

thanks for the info, and great pics as always! how far back were you in the crowd? i'd give anything for that view of the b-stage but i'm too short. this setup is not very kind to people like me. 😞

actually I just found out about an hour ago she can't do it. 😞 I am trying to work out DC now instead since I have friends going to that one.

Anybody queue for this show? Curious as to how much barrier was available since it sounds like the VIPs had 15 mins to get inside.

I would love to believe your estimate -- I will use that to make me feel better for the gigs left that I have GA for. 😁

IMO your estimates are way off. Just from my experience in Dallas, by the time I got to the floor, there was maybe the 15 spots on Matt's side of the catwalk, half the b-stage tip, and a handful of spots on chris's catwalk that were open. Maybe 30 spots total? Maybe more than that in the corners at the main stage -- I didn't look there. I mean, just by looking at photos of the gigs you can count heads and the barrier only holds about 100.

I had to dig (down) deep to find this thread... Wish me luck folks, I am trying to convince a coworker who has never seen Muse before to go with me to this gig. She has a bunch of southwest points so we could fly for free, and after this gig, her life will be changed forever. I think it's a good deal for both of us! 😁

There's one on twickets right now

Well in SD, it sounds like VIP got in early, so I guess problem solved? Now we're back to wondering if normal GA will have any barrier space left!! Pretty skilled of Muse to create a situation where there will be an angry mob of people no matter what you do. 😅 And they could have avoided it all, but *shrug*

I wish it would happen. With lackluster sales, who knows though. A lot of major cities on that list. Timing-wise that would make this tour very similar to T2L. The way the dates were spread out on this tour have been horrible. Lots of areas like yours (and mine) that are a 4+ hr drive to the nearest show.

I'm not sure that anyone only got 10 mins with the games. You saying someone only got one round in is the first I'm hearing of that. In Dallas they were let in at 4pm despite the door delay due to soundcheck. I assumed those people got to play games the whole time they were inside. And yeah, I'd be asking for a full refund if that happened to me. That's the thing. A lot of people that don't normally buy VIP bought the 2nd tier because it sounded like it would be the only way to get barrier, especially since the stage would not be 360 like Drones. Ugh thanks for reminding me about those signs at RAH. I thought I put it out of my mind. I still can't get over how many people thought that was an OK thing to do -- at a freaking charity gig.

Yes, that's what it says on the website. And also yes to the second part (except in Dallas where the doors were delayed. 2nd tier VIP were supposed to get an hour inside the building (per CID staff) to get merch, etc, and we only got about 10 minutes where we couldn't actually do anything because we didn't know when they'd be letting us down to the floor). And it does seem that so far the head start has ranged from zero to 20 seconds according to reports. I have to disagree with your argument that it is still early access to the floor. It's just not. They've offered the packages with the same wording on previous tours, and it established a precedent that early access to the floor meant "literally be on the floor to choose a spot before GA was allowed in" - I never timed it, but it was usually around 5 minutes, maybe longer. This is excessive ofc, but this thread isn't to debate how wrong this is. I've seen conflicting reports on FB about what happened last night. Someone with EE said that GA were let in *before* they were, despite the CID people telling them that Tier 1 VIP *always* gets in first, and that when she got to the floor, there were a lot of GAs already there. But someone else that had GA said that they were first in line and as they were entering, there were already VIPs coming down on Matt's side. And, idk if I've said this on this thread, but I am fine with this "solution" to the problem OTHER THAN THE FACT it screwed over the people that paid money for Tier 2 explicitly for something they advertised and didn't get. Those people should all get partial refunds. On the next tour, they should do away with VIP early entry completely, or change the wording on the ticket to something like "access to the floor via a separate entrance from general GA at doors."

That's exactly what happened with the amphitheater tour. I only got barrier once and it was so far to the right of Chris that nobody wanted that spot - that area stayed empty for a while after doors. And, they didn't advertise just "early access" - it specifically said "early access to the floor" -- which on previous tours meant physically on the floor first. Whether this is a 30 second head start or a 5 min head start, that can be up for debate.

I'll see you both there 😁

I was there early enough to check in as soon as they started processing people (3pm). You have plenty of time to go back to your hotel or car and come back. 2nd tier was supposed to be let in at 5pm.

I counted our line about 10 mins before we went into the building and there were 70 give or take a few. About 10 of these ended up being separated out bc they had seats. I also was sort of keeping track of the top-tier VIPs as they checked in and it was a larger number - maybe 80? But keep in mind a larger percentage of those people have seats. When we got inside the building and were lined up on the concourse, there were about 40 top-tier VIP in front of us to go down to the floor. Ofc I have no idea if they have a hard cap on the number for sale or if it fluctuates with each gig. I would kind of think 100 is a good estimate of total floor VIP.

no prob! Yeah you can actually see the steps in the pic that Morgan tweeted this morning. They are on Matt's side of the b-stage, facing the main stage if you were walking down them.