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I was out of my teenage angst stage by the time I got Showbiz, it's a nice song but it delays Cave, and that's a crime
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Falling Down always strikes me as the song Muse forgot about, yet tried to remake with Guiding Light. It'd be a good encore opener, and they could make the full band sections of it sound huge if they really wanted to.
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It's just a pity I spelt "round" with a t
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We're probably both right, and we're probably both wrong. I still think Bellamy sings in head voice on record more than he does falsetto. Sippe is entitled to think differently as is his right. I think we've exhausted any discussion now and will go tound in circles.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha3Pyt4wsGA Falsetto isn't confined to the head voice register, falsetto occurs when the vocal chords are open and allowing lots of air through. The Bee Gees used both Falsetto and head voice as well. Compare "How Deep Is Your Love" with something like "Tragedy". The former is sung with falsetto, the latter head voice. The difference is quite obvious. Like I said though, even trained vocal coaches think falsetto is the same as head voice because that's what they were taught. There IS no accepted standard definition of falsetto, mainly because of the way it's been taught over the years. I mean, it was taught that men singing above chest voice were using falsetto whereas women singing above chest voice were using head voice, which is a fallacy. Most high notes are the result of vocal chord adduction, which is a factor in head voice. The type of vocal chord vibration that produces the falsetto voice precludes loud singing except in the highest tones of that register; it also limits the available tone colors because of the simplicity of its waveform. If you don't accept my own understanding and explanation then fine, give me your understanding of what falsetto is and the difference between it and head voice
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I wasn't talking about Muse, it was a general point that falsetto isn't a vocal register
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Falsetto can be done in chest voice as well, for example Marilyn Monroe. Falsetto can be done on most notes, but head voice generally tops out at a higher level than falsetto can.
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Ah well, nobody's perfect, eh Debate on this can go on for years, quite a lot of music teachers still think falsetto is the same as head voice and the two terms are interchangeable. But I'll try. To me, falsetto is a light and weak, almost keening, vocalisation. There is a point where as the singer puts more effort in, effectively turns the volume up, it becomes head voice. That's my generally understood definition of it, that falsetto is a weak vocalisation, hence the name falsetto..."false voice".
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I wish I could explain it in terms you can understand, but clearly I cannot To my ears, Bellamy is using head voice on the songs we discussed, on record. He is most likely using head voice for THOSE SAME SONGS live, but I can't be arsed with finding live recordings. I never said that he was using falsetto on those songs live, as opposed to on record. You came up with that connection purely because I mentioned Bellamy using falsetto to rest his vocal chords in certain parts. You made that connection, not me. As far as I am concerned, Bellamy uses head voice on his records most of the time. His falsetto tends to sound lighter and airier, like the vocalisations at the end of Citizen Erased. That, to me, is Bellamy's falsetto. It sounds completely different to his high notes reached on Micro Cuts, at least it does to me. If you can't understand that then you never will, I'm so so sorry for you
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Example: Apocalypse Please. On record, Bellamy sings "This is the end YEAAAHHH" and the YEEEEAAAHHHH sounds strong, powerful, not airy. Live, when Bellamy does that same bit he falsettos the YEEEAAHHHH rather than sing at full power. That's where he tends to use falsetto on saving his voice. I never said at any point that he was using falsetto on the exact same songs we were discussing, merely that he uses falsetto more live in order to preserve his vocal chords. ON RECORD, on Showbiz at the end, in Micro Cuts, and in the beginning of KoC, he is using head voice. There are probably many other songs where he uses head voice rather than falsetto, but you asked originally where Bellamy uses head voice, and those are the prime examples.
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Because of the length of time he sustains when singing. Falsetto singing would be much shorter because he'd have to take more breaths more often.
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I never said you couldn't have a powerful falsetto all I said was that the vocals recorded by Bellamy were too powerful to be considered as falsetto. There is a point in KoC where he dips down to what would probably be considered falsetto (the second half of the opening vocalisations, before the lyric singing kicks in). But mostly it's head voice, and the treatment in post-production can make it seem more like falsetto because it distorts the true clean vocal.
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The chest power does make a difference, as in head voice the singer tends to push more air out of his lungs at a harder rate (mainly due to the more closed vocal chords meaning the air has to be pushed through harder). In falsetto the focing of air through the vocal chords isn't as pronounced, therefore you don't tend to get very powerful falsetto voices too often, falsetto is used in a much more relaxed manner than head voice is. Bellamy is somewhere between a baritone and a tenor vocally, he doesn't use falsetto that much on records. He uses it more live when he's saving his vocal chords from over-strain.
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More so than you, it would seem
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Head voice. Too powerful to be falsetto.
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Bellamy also uses head voice at the end of Showbiz. He tends to use falsetto a lot more live, mainly to rest his vocal chords as falsetto puts less strain through them.
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I bet it doesn't sound like Bellamy on Micro Cuts either
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On Micro Cuts for the particularly high notes he uses head voice as opposed to falsetto...after all, it's not really possible to scream without using the full force of the chest. In fact, if the vocal treatment was to be taken away from Micro Cuts, you would hear that it is head voice all the way through. The way it's been treated in post-production makes it sound more falsetto than it actually is.
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Glastonbury was nearer the end of the Absolution tour, wasn't it? Personally I felt that tour, or the gigs I saw, was Muse at their best. The backdrop wasn't over the top, and it was more about the Music. Plus Bellamy was still young enough to reach the high notes.
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No, cause knowing my luck the bonus song will be NSC or Guiding Light
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I'm not going to see Muse again. Until they make an interstellar quality album, instead of the dross they have done for a long time.
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I wish that were the case for individual gigs...I got less than almost anywhere else when I saw them at Liverpool last year, I'd like a partial refund on my ticket, plzkthx.
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Or maybe it gets so much hate because the fans know that everything Muse has attempted on it has already been done, and in a far far better way.
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