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  1. That's fair enough - I doubt Matt's played it exactly the same more than once in live performances

    Sorry, shouldn't have called it a dive-bomb actually. I meant the very end of the live version that has that note that drops in pitch. It should be switching to -2 octave at the beginning of the 127th measure, and it remains on that for the pitch drop during the next measure. This is what I mentioned earlier about how some parts of the song don't have the higher octave settings, but are actually the lower octave settings returning to the actual pitch (if that makes sense)



  2. 11 hours ago, giovannicovanni said:

    It's a 62' Reissue, and I added a custom aged pickguard for that vintage look 🙂 

    For that 63.5-64 part, I had used a tuner after the whammy so I achieve the exact tune, however I kinda solved it so that's not a problem anymore. The reason is, I had tried doing 0 to 127 at that part and something was wrong, it was sounding so -I don't know, too.. complicated?-, so I  tried doing 64-127 so that the time between the pitch change was going to be faster, but also that didn't do any good. So I changed the grid with triplets and added a dive bomb effect for that killswitch sound, and that was it! Sounds pretty good for now, I'll just focus on the middle part where matt also sings, and when I finish it, I'll just look back into the other parts again for a perfect automation. 

     Thanks for the screenshot if you find it, but no problem if you can't too! 

    Sorry I looked it up for the dive bomb effect in the end, but looks like I didn't take a video of that part and I don't remember very well. However, I've found this video on youtube that show us a close af look on his guitar.  looks like he plays 5th fret on low E instead of 12th on A like yours, however I thought he was playing unsustainable with drop A, perhaps he changed it to standard. I'm pretty sure he's not only going from 0 to 127 with a dive bomb in the end. There is a little bend-ish sound, before he does the dive bomb. I think it goes from -1oct to normal pitch , to dive bomb. 

    By the way, what effect do you use for the string tree-picking parts? I tried -1 harmony in chords mode, sounds better now but still I'm missing something, just can't get that tone.



    I think I get what you mean. I don’t think there’s anything particularly bizarre or complicated like that in the track. As I mentioned, I’ve tried loads of different ideas like going from CC 124-127 because it matched the pitch closely, but it really didn’t make sense to do it that way.

    Yeah, the dive-bomb effect is key for that part. It sort of mutes the notes if that makes sense? I recall it sounds best with the dive-bomb effect switching on and off VERY quickly at the end of each of those three triplets. I can give you the timestamps of where to put the six program changes, but it might not match depending on the grid you’re using. Are you doing this in Logic or Cubase? Or something else?

    And yeah that’s correct - it’s standard tuning. I was originally playing it like in the studio version (everything around the 12th fret) but found those -2 octave A string notes sounded pretty bad. So I set it up to be like the live version, which has the 5th fret low E on -1 octave like you say.

    As for the part at the very end of the live version, you might be right. It seems like the slight bend was coming from the part below? 




    It’s the same pattern, but has the final 127 point moved to a different position.

    The string tree parts are the dive bomb patch switching on and off. I have the automation set to 127 the entire time. The reason is likely due to the difference in the guitars. The MB guitars don’t have string trees, so it sounds a bit different. Similar to doing it on a Gibson style guitar with an angled headstock really.

    And before I forget. If you try to go super accurate and match the sweep of the pitch and whatnot… get the instrumental track and isolate it so you’re only hearing one guitar. I can send you this if you’d like. As I mentioned earlier, they’re not perfectly in tune with each other for whatever reason, so it’s best to base everything on one guitar track if you’re trying to match it exactly.

  3. Did you try https://www.mansonguitarworks.com

    They have second hand ones from time to time. Pretty sure there's a red glitter MB-1S for sale, or at least there was recently. 

    Or did you mean one of the few that were built in the mid 2000s? Because there are only five of those in existence (including the rust relic, excluding M1D1) and it seems like the same person has been getting his hands on them when they go up for sale. Wonder if MB is taking them out of circulation one by one... 



  4. On 8/15/2019 at 1:44 PM, giovannicovanni said:

    Hehe thanks, it's a 62' Fender baby! 

    Well, in the last video I posted, there was an +2 oct part, that I had used between 127 and 64 (I guess) to get a sound of +2 in toe and +1 in heel. However, it was totally wrong  😂 I focused on those +2 oct parts today and they sound much better now, hopefully will get a guitar with mbk-3's, it will sound better since they're going to have a lot more sustain.

     Which part do you mean by a dive-bomb sort of effect at the end that stopped on -2 octaves 

    I use 12th fret on A string with -2 octaves, because it really doesn't change anything with these *treble 100 and bass 0* pickups 🤣. I will try it with the new guitar when it arrives though.

    The videos are soo goood, It sounds %99.9 like the original track!     ps: jesus how many red mansons do you own lol

    Here's a video of the new version, playing is not the best though. 



    Nice, one of the roadworn models? Looks great.

    As for the the +2 octave part you mention, that's definitely the logical way to approach it. You'd think that if it's two octaves up at CC 127, it would sound like it's one octave up at half that value (63.5, but round that to 64) 

    But if you check that older video I posted, I recall it was set much closer to the +2 octave value for those triplets. Like 124-127 or something like that. I might still have a screenshot of that somewhere - will see if I can find it. While it seemed to match the original track's pitch closely, it really seemed like an extreme way to do it... 

    Even though Matt is playing everything around the 12th fret in the studio/making of video, I've never seen him play it that way live. Plus it's difficult to say if the making of video is how it was really recorded. 

    So I ended taking all of the -2 octave settings for the low notes out and using -1 octave instead, as well as using +1 octave for those fast triplets towards the beginning. It does require playing it differently and moving around the neck a bit more though, but also sounds a lot better because the pedal isn't altering the sound as much.

    The dive-bomb sort of effect I mean is at the very end of the live version, as soon as the rest of the band stops playing. He hits a note on the 17th fret on the high E string, and it slowly drops two octaves in pitch. So the part right before that (the "you're un-sus-tain-a-ble" bit) is played on -2 octaves, 17th fret on the high E string.

    And thanks - I've spent more time working on this than I'd like to admit, but happy to discuss what I've found. I'll see if I can send you a screen shot of the automation, but yours is sounding good. Like I said, the correct triplet grids are key, but also keeping in mind that most parts of the song use lower octave/divebomb patches on the whammy, and have those return to the original pitch. You'll have to invert the automation if you've already written it to use the higher octave patches though.





  5. That's better than most I've heard actually. Program changes sound like the correct ones. Also, nice looking strat 😉

    I can't tell, but have you put any automation points between 0 and 127? Meaning the heel/toe positions of the whammy. From what I've learned so far, the track doesn't have any that are between. 

    Something to think about is that the original track has the pitch in a lot of parts actually dropping and coming back up to the original. For example, when you saw it live, do you remember how there was a dive-bomb sort of effect at the end that stopped on -2 octaves? 

    Here's a fairly recent video I did. I haven't changed a whole lot, but trying to approach that bit at the beginning in a different way (assuming it's only playing in the background in the making of video)

    And yeah, the overall sound quality deteriorates quite a bit when run through the whammy on the -2 octave settings. I have it setup on -1 octave here. I noticed it's nowhere near as bad on the classic mode, so I'd switch to that if you're using the chords mode.

  6. On 8/11/2019 at 8:38 PM, giovannicovanni said:

    I meant the 1:32 to 1:34, 1:37 to 1:40, and 1:43 to 1:45 parts in the original recording.

    Btw now that you said, I just realized that there are 2 guitar tracks, when I saw them live last month in the front, I was looking at Matt's fingerboard and whether or not he played the +2 oct parts or the string tree part ( 1:40 in the original track), he just sounded the same. The 2nd guitar track was probably playing in the background.


    I think I get what parts you mean. Is it more the timing you're having difficulty with, or just figuring out the correct automation and program changes? Most of the track can be figured out easily enough if you have the correct grid divisions. Easiest way to do it is to figure out if the part you're working on has quarter, eighth, etc notes and then adjust the grid to match. 

    The first part you mention is quite tricky. I don't think he's actually playing that part in the 'Making of' video - I thought it was a 12th fret harmonic on the A string, but it seems like he's muting everything completely. 

    I'm pretty sure he's playing that one live without any backing, considering it sounds different each time. The original recording has the same +2 octave part in the MIDI track, but he hits the strings above the nut the fourth (final) time it's played. 03:39 in the recording. 

  7. 20 minutes ago, giovannicovanni said:

    Hey everyone, I'm new to the forum, I've been following the forum for a couple of months though. I'm working on a new unsustainable midi file for my Whammy 5 from scratch. However, that "wiu wiu wiu wiu" oscillating thingy sound made with +2 octaves seems pretty hard to nail. Does anyone have a midi file for it? I've read the whole topic but unfortunately every link is expired 😕 

    Do you mean the part towards the beginning with those fast triplets?

    That's the one part I'm still not convinced about. It's difficult to tell since the original track has two guitars, and one seems to be at a slightly different pitch (not sure if it's latency related or just out of tune to begin with)

  8. Just a thought, but if you all are able to access your muse.mu account (I gather many are having issues with this) did any of you have this box ticked when the emails went out and still not receive one? I'm not sure whether this includes ticket pre-sale codes or not.

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  9. My thoughts are that he's going to expand his own signature line at the very least. Maybe offer further variation at different price levels.

    As for a bass series, no idea - especially since that one was a gift. Though the DH-1 was a gift too, and that's available to purchase.

    Do feel free to discuss the guitars themselves in the K&T thread too - only saying that since Bs has left us and there's far less content to say the least... Happy to leave this thread here since it's more about the company itself.

    Also, nice post from Tom Morello:


    Cheeky fun fact: the vinyl lettering on that guitar was made by our very own @musecasters and @rust_relic

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  10. Damn. I guess if it's going to be your last build (does that include #ByRequest?) then that should be the one. Even if it's blue, which is what everyone does 😉 

    What are the extra circuits/switching options? 

    On a side note, a matt black MoC type guitar (the one with the floyd rose) popped up for sale on eBay recently... sold for £150, though that's probably because the seller said he was removing the pickups before sending.  That or more people know the history of that guitar than I thought. 


  11. On 5/27/2019 at 8:49 AM, daveno1 said:

    Thanks James appreciate it. Theres so much choice its hard to pick. Maybe go with a floyd rose black p-90 case. Or different colour combo altogether .  


    Or copper bomber or something like rust relic ...




    Wouldn't the obvious choice be matt black? Only semi joking, as I do like #NoneMoreBlack bomber they finished up recently.


    But what about something like this?



    There's also the Full Metal Jacket finish:



  12. Did I break K&T (and the entire board for that matter) by posting my not quite 1000000000% correct version?

    Working on the middle section of the song and it's equally as challenging. I also made a little video showing the automation and whammy program changes, but #NotForSale and that. You can find the cringeworthy edited version if you look hard enough though.

  13. 10 hours ago, scottST said:

    Sooo...2019 MAs now live on the website.


    I like them. Curious if a holoflake version will be out at some point, but guessing not, since the previous ones were anniversary models.

    It does seem to make sense going for a neck humbucker route - far more options than a strat type single coil. Plus they're more MB now.


  14. 35 minutes ago, Bs said:

    Thanks for the tonne of notifications :chuckle:

    That's actually pretty impressive, though I don't think your playing was as clean as the last video, haha! You've got the MIDI stuff nailed though, I don't think I'd have the patience for all that!

    Interestingly, Feeder have a new album out this year apparently. I liked All Bright Electric a lot so hopefully it's good. It's funny that you always mention Buck Rogers though, it would probably only be my 7th or 8th choice from that album alone, haha! If we're including songs that weren't even on it, then Just A Day tops them all, haha! 


    Even though those were old posts, they deserved to be recognized!

    Yeah I hear what you mean. Thing is that the fuzz really has to be turned up (and boosted with another pedal) to get the low notes sounding right, but the unwanted sounds are amplified more. It's a bit much, but I haven't figured out a better way to do it...yet

    This is news to me. But then the only album I actually own is Polythene :nerd: Why wouldn't I mention Buck Rogers? If someone asked me to describe what one of your posts enriching digital monologues were made of...

    Well, you know what the answer is... don't you? Because I really don't mind telling you... 🤭


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