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16 hours ago, james90 said:
Yeah, I'm sure he's got various presets he uses on it. Might have replaced that mystery reverb pedal he's been using for several years now. I never found out what it was, but there are other pedals that can do the same effect at least
It is a bit expensive. Might be worth seeing if there are any of the older versions around? As for the Mind Abuse, is that the one on The Globalist you're referring to?
That's the Machsonic Thrust Drive. I don't think they're being made anymore, and I've only seen two for sale in the past few years. Doesn't seem like anything special, but probably works well in that particular setup with the bass amp and 7 string.
I'll look if there are any used older versions. Yes I was referring to it I thought it was Mind Abuse but apparently it's Machsonic Thrust Drive. There's one in reverb, in the back cover looks like his name is Tarkan Mumkule, I'm also from Istanbul so I'll try to contact him and see if he makes any.
Edit: Lol apparently he's actually very popular in Turkey, I see he only made 100 of them but I know someone who is a friend of him. Perhaps I can find one in Istanbul by chance.
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Phaser was just example, even though I always leave the phaser on for Muse, it really affects the sound for this song. It has 200 banks, so I modify each different then use MIDI for program changing. Tbh I'm not surprised he uses Big Sky, it's amazing and really easy to use with MIDI.
VH4 Pedal looks killer, though the price is kinda high for me.. If I'm going to spend that much, I may go with Rockfabrik Effects Mind Abuse Pedal, Matt used it for Drones, it's also got a 3-band EQ.
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Yeah, Strymon has MIDI control and it's a total life saver.. When I'm playing Muse I use 5 different phasers each song, and it saves me a lot of effort. I'll try the square Trem and see how it sounds.
If you want to get the best tone, just place a loop pedal (if you've got one) first in the chain, record and twist the knobs, it's the perfect way to get it. I think distortion sounds better too (especially a high gain valve amp like VH4), you hear every note better.
Not related, but I'm looking to get a distortion pedal since I don't own one. I have a Metal Muff of my friend's which sounds so.. metal.. Do you have anything to recommend for Muse sounds?
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I’ve joined 3-4 groups at Facebook, the ones with the most members.
Making the backing track from the 5.1 is pretty genius tbh. The news reporter and robot sounds are important because they heavily contain bass, in my project I roughly isolated it from the original track and it’s not so effective because it doesn't have that bass hit (you’ll understand better when you listen mine). I ended up recreating the orchestra with Logic’s plugins and it’s sounding well, you can take it and see how it sounds with Rome Dvd backing track.
I think I used /48 grid for the triplets and the tremolo effect. Whammy's buffer affects the tone when it's at -3, so a tremolo with square wave shape may sound better. My Strymon Mobius has a square tremolo feature, I may try seeing how it sounds.
Yeah I kinda did. It may have been recorded with the dirtiest fuzzy sound possible (Oscillating Fuzz + internal gain with audio interface for the clipping) + a post EQ to make it sound more clear, but the key is clipping I guess.. I turned the gain up on my Focusrite one time and it sounded much realistic. The filter effect I'm talking about is for Chris btw, and I don't think he plays live with that effect. It sounds like a Lo-Pass env. filter, the sound that can also be heard at Plug In Baby's record.
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Yeah I wasn’t around for months here, but I’ve got the email notifications. I didn’t know there are groups, I’ll check them out.
Perhaps he used Axe Fx for those extreme, but at the same time “clean sounding” fuzz sound; or maybe for the bass? there seems to be a filter effect for the bass in the song, I don’t know..
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Hi @Albie, sorry for the late response. I never had time to make a frame so I just had to continue with the stock one 😕 , even though it cracked now..
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I really thought and wanted to give credit but didn't know what to write since I don't know what's your reddit username, sorry..
I'm new to this reddit stuff so didn't know if you had posted or not, I only shared to see if some people liked how it was, and I was so surprised to see how many upvotes it got. I've changed the description though
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I had no idea too tbh haha, just check 2-3 pages back in this topic, you’ll see that’s it’s my first time doing an automation too, I hadn’t an idea on how to even change the grids 😂
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@james90 I’ll keep it in mind. Behringer UR22 is basically a Focusrite 2i4, but for much cheaper. Since I’m not going to be able to use it well (due to the computer being shitty) it won’t be necessary to get something too good I guess.
@nightleld Thanks! I used Logic like I mentioned above. The file isn’t completely finished IMO, so I don’t think I’ll upload it in a near time 😕 However, it’s a pitch shifter, so it plays whatever you want it to, so the tabs depend on your file.
Btw it’s a weird tip, but if you really want to play it good, I suggest you at least try to create your “custom” file, because 1)like I said above, since it’s a pitch shifter you’ve got infinite possibilities to play it.
2) and most importantly; I’m %100 sure if I already had found a midi file for this song before, I couldn’t play it this well.
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Thanks! Well I’ve used as little data as possible, didn’t used midi datas for the backing track, just made them wav files since my macbook air is not so good for making music (8gb ram).
In soundcheck, I always checked the midi file for Whammy, and thank god I did
It didn’t do the program changes and automation at first, I restarted the computer and created a new plugin for it a several times, since the problem probably may have been caused with the other audio interface we were using.
Unfortunately this week I had to update to latest software, it may be a part of the problem too I guess, I don’t know (the audio interface we were using was Focusrite 2i2). Maybe try creating a new midi external instrument plugin and put the file on that and try again.
Also out of topic, which Steinberg interface are you using? I was thinking about getting a simple Focusrite but I heard they have some clipping problems. I was thinking about getting a Steinberg Ur22 since it has also got midi, which I always use, for nearly half price of Focusrite.
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Well, yesterday we had a little show and I requested Unsustainable a lot, so we decided to play it! In the backing track we only used the reporter, robot, and the orchestra sounds. Unfortunately the sound engineer decreased the sound of the backing track and my guitar in the middle of the song but it felt SO good to play it live.. Here are some clips!
@james90 I had problems with external instrument plugin before, because I didn't select that box when I was creating that midi external midi file in the first place
Anyway I changed it before the show.
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Where I live (Italy), the rock in rio concert was in morning, so it started in like 6-6:30 and ended in 7.30-8.00 and my school was in 8:30, so it was the perfect timing haha, Metal Medley was AMAZING with those proshots of Murph..
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You’re welcome!
If they’d make an extended version of Simulation Theory film, where they add clips of the songs they didn’t play in O2 (Bliss, Undisclosed Desires, Showbiz, perhaps blockades) it’d be amazing.
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Just write “Muse showbiz” and limit the time to “today”
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Yep, it was awesome judging by the youtube videos. It's so strange that they played Showbiz and not Blockades this tour..
If I only went to the first night's concert and find out that they played Showbiz the day after, I would've killed myself
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Matt plays the intro riff while Tom plays, I think he has a slide ring there, and before he goes to improvise with delay, he drops it.
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This guy played the solo pretty good, infact it’s the only good (or even the only cover of it that actually sounds close)
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Oh thank god, I thought I had something wrong there. I really like the stab feature, the oscillating sounds it makes when you do vibratos.. In live versions, stab definitely isn't full since he has that dark sound , which I think comes from the stab not being full since it also kinda darkens that high end and also sounds.. compressed? (obviously he uses A LOT of effects but this may be a part of it)
I compared your expression automations with mine, and looks like the only part that's different is, that dive bomb automation after the +2 octave part (which I was doing it manually), so it made me pretty happy!
One thing I had wrong this whole time, that tremolo-ish sound at 1:38, I had it on +2 octave, playing with harmonic of low A's 12th fret. Changed it now to bypass mode though, like it has to be.
The low notes' tone is on point, it's just too too good..
For that "external instrument plugin", I have to connect it to the audio interface right? Since I don't own one, I use the bass player's one when she brings it to studio.
By the way one technical question (I'm really don't understand these advanced DAW things);
My guitar was connected to my pedalboard, that goes to my amp. However, when I connected the usb-midi cable from my whammy to my Macbook, there was a little sound of my guitar coming from the monitors that we connected the interface to?? Do you have an idea where that may be coming from?
Thank you for everything by the way, playing this song is pure joy and fun, and I don't think I could have done this without your help
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Hey everyone,
I've got a Amptone Lab Midi Pad on my guitar, however a part of the frame of it got cracked a bit. I talked with them and they said it will cost 20€ including shipping to me which is pretty high since it's just cheap plastic. So I decided to create a custom one, and I'm thinking about getting inspired from the manson one since they are kinda wider in the right and left, and narrower in up and down.
I couldn't find any info about the manson one in the internet, if someone has it, can you please tell me the specs of it?
This is the Amptone Lab one:
Here's the Manson one:
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@james90 I tried the settings, yeah they sound close but one thing, if I don’t want to have any hum noise from Fuzz Factory, obviously I should turn up the comp, however if I do, the noise stops at somewhere near 3 o’clock, is it normal? (since you had suggested a much lower comp setting). A weird fact, I have settings of FF written for some songs, and I always used my SMBH settings for this song since it has the fuzz, the gate etc. kinda matching with unsustainable haha (but it’s the tone for the studio version so there isn’t any oscillation).
About the string tree strike, you are right, especially the sound of the fuzz itself really changes when you play with whammy bypassed vs active on heel position. What do you think about that part of my project? Do you think it’s correct? I’m asking because maybe it might be a problem caused by my setup/guitar tones.
That 1:36 Triplet, it MIGHT still be the same automation, but perhaps it sounds like this because of matt’s playing? One thing I’ve experienced playing this song, tone really is in the fingers if you know what I mean. You play 12th fret on low A and you get a sound, then you do a pinch harmonic at the very same fret and boom, there is a much different sound. For example, when I was using low A 12th fret with -2 octaves, those +2 triplets were sounding MUCH different than when I started using Low E 5th fret with -1 octaves. So since Matt neversplays the same..
However, I think there are +1 oct parts too in the song (or -1 with drop tune + +2 with whammy), because in these videos he sometimes plays the highest notes in the fingerboard (17th etc.) and they sure don’t sound like +2 when he plays there.
Thanks, I’ll definitely check that automation and compare with mine.
Something weird happened earlier today, after months of trying to convince my band to play unsustainable, we had a big problem. I connected my whammy to my laptop with a Usb midi cable, then connected the audio interface and tried to play it with the backing track and automations. Now comes the big problem, the midi file had a lag, (like it was in a different tempo?!), I mean the program changes were so late.. The strange thing is when I checked the project, there wasn’t anything strange, everything were where they should’ve been..
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15 minutes ago, james90 said:
Right, I see - just as long as you don't have the preamp gain on the amp turned up.As for the settings, you still want it to oscillate clearly and have good sustain, but not exactly the same as when the comp and gate controls are all the way down. It's sort of hard to describe the difference. Basically keep the gate around 9 o clock, turn the comp up until the oscillation and hum stops, and then turn it back down until the sustain is how you want. If that makes sense? The gain should be somewhere around half, with the stab around 1 or 2 o clock
As for the string tree sound, I looked at your file. First - it's really impressive, so well done on that. But as far as the string tree sound goes, there's more of a difference if you have the pedal actually switching on and off - especially if the fuzz factory is in front.
So with the whammy 5, you'll want to have it at CC 127 throughout that part and just have it switching between active and bypass on the dive-bomb setting.
If you look closely in the making of video a few seconds before Matt starts playing, you can just about see the computer screen with the automation patterns, and it appears it was done this way.
Regarding the triplets, ignore that - I had thought he was switching to a different setting, but it seems like it's just the open strings being hit when he's moving back up the neck. I will mention that I've experimented with the whammy DT a bit more, and while the whammy 5 is more than good enough, there are a few settings on the whammy DT that get those low notes and the sweep of the pitch sounding a bit closer.In other words, the drop tune (which also has upper octave settings) section is before the whammy section of the pedal. So you could basically have the pitch anywhere between +1 or -1 octave BEFORE it goes into the whammy part of the pedal. What this means is that the heel position of the whammy isn't the unaffected guitar sound, as it's already being shifted up or down by the drop tune part of the pedal.
As for the tuning, it's definitely in standard. You can see him play the E string on the 5th fret for that low A note in live performances. I only discovered this today, but I think it's due to the -1 octave + dry setting on the drop tune section of the pedal. You can combine this with the -1 octave setting on the whammy side and get a better sounding -2 octave, which is likely how he did it in the studio.
Thanks! There couldn't be any better explanation for the settings since fuzz factory is a pedal that's sensitive af and doesn't give the exact sound every time due to the +/- %20 pot tolerance, I'll try that and let you know.
For the string tree part in my file, normally it was CC 127 throughout that part, but I had tried some different sounds that day before I sent you the file, so it may not be all the way 127, HOWEVER there shouldn't be any difference in sound because those parts where the CC is 0, are bypassed, so whether it's 0 or 127 or something in between, the pedal's technically off there.
In this photo if you look closely you can see the blue lines which represents expression control. (cc 9 being Dive Bomb active, cc 30 being passive)
I really don't know what to say for those whammy DT combinations, it's so genius.. and for the tuning part, I meant if he may use something like EADGAE. This way when you hit open strings it may sound correct to pitch. I'm pretty sure he doesn't use a tuning like that, but in theory it may sound cool, just saying.. 🤷♂️
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On 9/25/2019 at 5:07 AM, james90 said:
I see what you mean - where do you have the gain (preamp volume) control set? If you're running those fuzz pedals, I'd definitely set the amp for a neutral clean sound without too much bass. Otherwise it'll likely be far too compressed sounding. If there's a bright switch on the amp, you'll probably want to have it switched off if it's at low volume.As for the fuzz factory. I worked out some settings a while back which seemed to sound right - I think I wrote them down somewhere. It wasn't anything too extreme, but it was on an oscillating setting. If I remember correctly, it was gate 11 o clock, comp 1 o clock, drive... can't remember, and stab 2 o clock (?)
What I do remember is that I was intentionally turning the comp control up to the point of the oscillation cutting off, and then turning the gate control back down to where it was consistently/clearly oscillating.
Regarding the live version, the MIDI track is different during that part, but that's definitely true about not playing the exact notes.
And I got it thanks, will have a look and let you know. I set my backing track up based on the one from here (definitely check it out - great resource) and adjusted everything until it sounded close enough. Still need to work on the bass though, especially that big bend.
It's in French, but easy enough to navigate and download the files. Most are fairly accurate, at least compared to the ones you get from converting the guitar pro files from ultimate guitar for example.
Also, as for those triplets being in -2 octave and returning to normal pitch - I think he just might be hitting the open strings instead, but it doesn't sound high enough for it to be that.
I do have some ideas of what it could be, but it's something that only works for the DT. Basically requires using both sides of the pedal at the same time. Still experimenting with that though.
Since Blues Junior amps are designed full vintage style, they don't have Fx loops, and I always use delay and modulation so I get my overdrive tones from my pedals, so I always have to set the amp clean. Volume (a.k.a. gain) is set between 3-4/12, and master (output volume) is no more than 2.
I tried those settings but it gave me a lot of hum sound and hum noise affects playing of this song a lot. I tried to get a bit of oscillation, then turned comp to the point where the hum stopped, but this way I had to set comp to 3 o'clock, and I can't get any sustain this way 😕 However, I tried to put a buffered pedal between whammy and fuzz factory and it really changed the game for me. When whammy was on and in heel position, it gave a much cleaner sound without the buffered pedal, that may be one of the reasons the *dive bomb going on and off* sound when I hit the string tree sucks.
Lol I had my backing track based on that site too, only I made some modifications to it. For example, I removed the excess notes from the bass and added a thicc fuzz, then pitched it down by one octave.
I still don't get what you mean by those triplets being in -2 octaves at 1:34 of the video :// If you could be a little more specific, I can help with that.
Is it certain that he uses a standard tuning for this song? Since this song usually uses an A note, if you tune down the B string a full note, it may sound good and correct when you play open notes!
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@james90 It's actually the opposite, I play it in Master (Volume) 2 out of 12, and still it gives a loud sound since the room I'm playing in is sooo small (heck, you can hear the sound of a mosquito like it's in your head which is so trippy).
I just borrowed a distortion pedal (Ehx Metal Muff Top Boost) from a friend of mine to try some combinations. I will try putting the distortion before and after the whammy, however looks like the best choice for me to do is use Fuzz Factory because my other pedals' cables are pinned under the pedalboard so it will be so hard for me to remove them, sooo I'm open to suggestions for Fuzz Factory Settings
and thanks! The sound quality of the video isn't so good because like I said, the room is small af, so the mic of my phone captures also the acoustic sound of the guitar when I record, which can especially be heard when I hit the string tree. (I don't have an audio interface)
Live version is easier and much more simpler. You don't have to play the exact notes this way, you can just improvise (as long as you stay in the chord of course), that's probably why Matt plays it like this.
I am using a backing track, all the instruments in the back (bass, drums, orchestra ) are midi except for the intro, and the sound of the robot and the reporter are slightly isolated. I will send you the whole project instead of just the middle part, so I'd appreciate if you tell me your opinion about it!
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On 9/22/2019 at 6:53 AM, james90 said:
I think I get what you mean. It can easily end up too distorted, but still lack the high end/treble and sustain - especially when compared to the other octave up settings. I find that using a distortion rather than fuzz works best, since fuzz pedals don't always play nicely with the whammy - especially when placed after.
If you've got a pedal that has buffered bypass (rather than true bypass) try placing that in front of the whammy. Any Boss pedal for example will work. Don't switch the pedal on, but just have it in the signal chain directly before the whammy.
So it would be...
Guitar > any pedal (switched off) with a buffered bypass > whammy > treble booster > distortion > amp
I'd experiment with the different settings on the Strymon combined with the treble booster. Maybe try a lower gain setting on the Strymon, and adjust the treble booster to where it sounds best.
In this case, I'd actually avoid using the fuzz factory, since that would have to go in front of the whammy anyway. I think still possible MB recorded it that way (based on the oscillation at the very end of the song) but he often runs into a DI with the gain cranked up, which is part of getting that additional overdrive and treble.
And sure, or if a sound clip is easier I can try to figure it out myself. A little more difficult as the guitar is lower in the mix during that part of the song.
Also, an observation about the live version. Those same triplets we were discussing earlier (the quick ones towards the beginning) - it seems that the live version actually has the first as +2 octave, and then the others as -2 octave.
Right around 1:34. It's definitely not in the studio version, but seems to be in all the live ones.
Well, Strymon Sunset is basically 2 individual pedals, and each pedal has 3 modes (FET/treble boost, high gain OD, tube screamer etc.) and you can stack or use it parallel however you want to use it, the combinations are infinite, so I use treble boosted hi-gain to get something close to a distortion, BUT I think the biggest problem is the amp (Blues Junior), so whatever I change with my pedals, I just can’t get enough dirt and sustain after a limit.
Why is it necessary to but a buffered pedal in front of the whammy? (don’t get me wrong, I just don’t understand why since Whammy’s always on) My order is: Guitar+( built-in Fuzz Factory) > whammy > OD
Sorry I didn’t understand, which part do you mean by those triplets being -2? In 1:34 there’s that weird oscillation (Which I accidentally kinda achieved when I used Low E’s A instead of low A like you suggested, you can see in the video below.)
About the middle section of the project, yesterday I made some modifications to it. Normally the first part of the middle where you do those dive bombs with string tree hitting are different in live and studio recording as you know, and the 2nd part is just -1 octave without any expression changes. In my project I modified it so the first part is like the live versions (just like the video you sent) and the second part is like the original recording. HOWEVER, yesterday I accidentally closed the project and clicked “Don’t Save” 🙄 fml.
Here’s a video I recorded after I changed the middle part, sorry for the bad quality and mistakes, it’s the only one I recorded before I, you know.. clicked Don’t Save. I’ll try to send the project when I change everything again
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Wow, I use Strymon Sunset’s Hard mode (which is a ProCo Rat clone as I’ve heard) boosted with a treble boost, + FF since I don’t have any distortion pedal (even my amp doesn’t have a dist channel lol). If I use only Sunset, the gain seems so clean but if I use FF then it sounds too fuzzy 😕
I only tried it with the classic mode, I’ll give it a try!
By the way, I had the middle section in the midi file i created with Logic, I’d say it’s %80 correct since it’s basically just dive bombing. I can send it to you if you want.
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Sorry, didn't get the notification.. Thanks for the suggestions, I'll check these out.
D&M is so similar to my Strymon Sunset Overdrive. It's also got 2 sides, with 3 mini switches on each side, giving options from boost, to high gain. I'm looking for more of a distortion sound because sometimes it's not enough when I crank the Sunset even with its most high gain features.
I'll try to contact and let you know when I talk with Machsonic.